Mini Theme 2194 : Draft Mafia | Endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

that's to everyone except flea

[NoPowerOverMe]

So flea is scum?

[Flea The Magician]

Because it burns it off from the decks, someone is going to be forced to take it at some point and imo it's better gone early I'm well aware of the mafia tactics that could be used and I'm well aware of the risk I'm taking here.

My setup spec currently has the possibility of mafia being able to yeet negative roles, or something like a miller making things harder for lower numbers.

Me taking it tonight turns me into a miller, I fully plan to draft all the anti-town roles. Given that you can calculate the shift 2 people should be able to verify thats whats taken each day - obviously if everyone does this its bad times because scum are already informed more than we are.

For example tomorrow I will name the two people who can confirm that miller has been taken from the pack.
I can ask the player who recieved my pack yesterday to confirm 1-shot ninja isn;t there, but as that trail stops there its kinda pointless.

On top of that, the amount of drafts I've made and used is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE and I suspect that given we've a PR Cop that theres a role which would look at a players draft pile and say what's there.

[BBmolla]

okay

but why not

just leave the miller

??

[BBmolla]

if there's a PR cop and scum take miller for some god knows reason (it literally does nothing for them) then you're literally preventing that PR cop from getting a guilty by doing this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no cuz nobody will leave a cop role to the end

[BBmolla]

i dont know if this makes flea scum but im sure as fuck confused

[Flea The Magician]

Because at some point a player will be forced to take it, and given it would likely be undeclared given it wasn't declared yesterday as it's a nasty role. So come late game with lower numbers, N5 specifically if we get there, someone will be forced to be a miller, given thats a potential ELO that's a false negative - if I get to ELO and there is an investigative it would make sense then for them to check the other player to determine alignment - as it;s known I'll be scanning red it becomes an easy matter.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if it gets left to the end, there will be 4 people who have seen the card and can verify the last card in the pack is miller.

also theres almost no way a cop investigation gets to last pick so there'd be nothing for a miller card to interact with

[BBmolla]

the odds of the pack still existing by then aren't great am I wrong

[Flea The Magician]

It makes sense to me, some of these roles in the draft appear to be able to change, and my discussion with gypyx indicate that miller status can be stripped by myself or by others with the correct role.

I'm preventing myself being alignment cleared. I don't see ELO ever in games. Plus at N5 it'll be the last in the pack and if town have it, they'll be forced to take it.

Honestly I think it's better being taken out now. I'm literally just going to burn the anti-town things. my flip will be green, investigations will be red. There's nothing major lost with my elimination today ether way.

[Not_Mafia]

None of the roles in my pack were very good, I can see me picking miller if it was there just to get rid of it and prevent scum wifom.

Plus, if Flea is scum, why claim it?

[Flea The Magician]

The roles avalible also change as the game goes on, they will always become more powerful or stagnate, but never downgrade

I'm happy taking that miller card so it doesn't screw things up later.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why does anyone claim miller aside from being a miller? To avoid a guilty.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I also had very lukewarm roles.

[Flea The Magician]

None of the roles in my pack were very good, I can see me picking miller if it was there just to get rid of it and prevent scum wifom.

Plus, if Flea is scum, why claim it?

Because as scum it means all investigations on me become doubtable and gives me plausible deniability. Again, I'm aware of the scum tactics possible here, my orbs aint big enough to pull a play like this as scum, honestly.

Hell I'm surprised I got the orbs to do this as town, but stupid is as chaos does.

Again, the other part of this plan is it makes scum have to think about their rotations, if they know where an anti-town role is they want but risk me pickingup another one, it gives them something the chew on for a while until I'm evicted.

[Flea The Magician]

also a PR cop wouldnt see my alignment They'd see either my active drafts or my draft pile

[NoPowerOverMe]

Would a massclaim make sense here if most of us have weak roles?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no cuz we dont want the scum to see how many slots to pass

[willow1]

have to stay late for work but will be around by 10 est

[NoPowerOverMe]

But coordinating our actions could be beneficial.

[Flea The Magician]

Any sort of claim should be avoided barring a hard guilty. Anti-town claims should be avoided given my declared intent to lightning rod them. Scum have control over the rotation and can attempt to skip me if its one they want, like the ninja.

Cant remember if I'm voting here, but VOTE: NPOM

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Plus, if Flea is scum, why claim it?

so when someone investigates flea and gets a guilty flea can be like oooh its cuz i took the miller card?

[NoPowerOverMe]

OMGUS much?

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus, if Flea is scum, why claim it?

because miller would explain why flea is not town to a cop result