Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[5uffering]

This is a terrible way to play the game. You're uncertain what I am yet you won't put in the extra effort to maybe consider me being town. Thanks.

Even if I did townread your slot, I would politically nullread your slot in public after the way you've played. I am not going to vocalize a townread on you even if I stop pushing for your flip.

-S

Please tell me more what you mean by this. Talk to me as if I'm fresh out of the newbie queue. I cannot comprehend what your issue or even the way I've played.

[5uffering]

By the way, I absolutely agree with moving towards night. Do I have permission to self-vote? While I did threaten spite, I think the exasperation has gone on too long. I formatted a post pretty much already earlier but I retracted it. I keep leaving for a moment's time to see if minds have changed, but they really haven't. A good lot of you are convinced of my flip. That's fine. I was never angry at being scumread. I was frustrated because while being scumread it seems my words were not really reaching.

[5uffering]

So please when I fucking flip town. Consider what I had to say. That's all.

[5uffering]

Gamma/Starcrossed/Dunn/Clidd is where I'm working right now.

Because I'm dying that is indeed my solve. I can be wrong about a townread somewhere but I'm not where. I don't get to that point to figure it out.

[War and Peace]

I've taken a sort of laissez faire attitude here, feeling a lot closer to a spectator than a player, and I realize it's not my argument to jump into, but: the core of the problem is instigating phrases that I'm not sure you are aware are instigating when you write them (and possibly 'needing the last word')

e.g.

Spoiler:

you will probably make some comment about it being a chore to play with me or something

So thanks for forcing me

already explained to you ad nauseum - which you continue to ignore for some reason

you apparently are this grossly insensitive to my feelings in addition to egregiously misunderstanding me but it looks like nothing I’m saying will ever get through to you

upset at people who are shitting on me

I intend for that to purely be constructive and not a personal attack.

as for the current state of the game itself, I agree with sherlock/toogeloo/5uffering that we desperately need a night phase

despite that, and even though I can't speak for ircher, I personally am never going to vote for gamma or italiano today even if you decide on them, as I don't believe they adapted so much as mafia in such a short period of time

so yeah I hope you reconsider on deciding soon regardless of who it is, because this gamestate is super unhealthy

[Sherlock and Watson]

See I'm in a pretty troublesome position.

I have a scumread you're saying no to. The other push I made on Gamma didn't gain traction. Just to out some of my frustration but

Gamma you're a fucking slime and you have no reason to scumread me and haven't even bothered to explain why.

I'm not seeing where else I'd want to put my vote and it seems that my reasoning for these pushes did not reach you.

Troublesome.

........No? I'm just telling you I can be wrong. My vote is still on Gamma and I still think he's a fucking slime. I'm open to differing perspective though?

You're a fucking moron.

Alright I just have a few more things to say just to get it off my chest. Then I'll proceed as normally scheduled.

BM replacing out wasn't a coincidence, he felt unwanted in a game where his own liability was the fact he wasn't invited to the table. This seems like a very curated playlist of people who are all familiar with each other, whether they want to admit it or not. I replaced in because the love of the game and I wanted to challenge myself, but if the mentality comes at the cost of just personal undoing and dealing with people who fail to read me for not being apart of their inner circle, then what am I supposed to do? If you're reading this and think 'this is just AtE' then you're not comprehending what I'm telling you. I very much want to take on the role of a player of this game and nothing else, but when I keep getting meta accusations or alt hunting it's very hard to deal with.

I also feel no resonance with the people I'm playing with. Like I stick out like a sore thumb and that's my one and only crime. Is it something on my face? The way I've said something? I think I've tried to pry into other's minds and ask questions about what they're thinking and it's mostly just been silence. My confidence only works in a continual feedback loop because I'm not reaching anyone. It's tiring and I've resorted to mostly bemoaning my situation because I'm not sure what else to do. And seriously, if you are still reading this and your thought is AtE then respectfully fuck you and I mean this outside of my game persona. I'm not a machine who outputs a thought process that tailors to your absolute needs. I don't always respond the way you want me to. I don't always play to the meta or the idea you have built up for me in my head.

I'm just saying

I am 100% okay no longer thinking about the alignment of this slot

you can say I'm a lazy fuck, but dealing with this fucking level of AtE is not fun and not why I signed up for this game

we need to kill one of the fucking high-AtE slots and clearly establish that this sort of shit will die for future dayphases to be readable

VOTE: 5uffering

Nancy this is just *the correct* choice, I don't know that either of us *scumread* this slot but we don't need a flip that flips red today, we need a flip *that makes the game winnable*

that's a callous as shit argument but today has reached a point that policy is actually the correct choice

and I guess there's still a world where this flips scum, like Gamma scumreads it and I think he's town

so let's just do it okay?

this is like, a really scummy argument I think but I also think this is the way to go

I'm fully expecting to be called a fucking moronic idiotic asshole for this vote but that's precisely why I'm making this vote

I also appreciate that *some* of 5uffering's posts recently have been better but like, FUCK THOSE POSTS

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

For this game to be winnable, we need to get to a point where people want to open the thread and read the fucking posts in it

For the game to be *literally readable* one of the slots making me *not want to read the game* have to go

It doesn't necessarily have to be 5uffering but he is at this point *by far* the worst offender

[5uffering]

I'm not as married to the idea of getting through this phase then you think. Those posts you think are scummy were intentionally written in a way to get you to maybe see my perspective. Not as scum. But as town. If you cannot handle another intricate layer of the game because you cannot read it then that will be on you. There is no transgression needed.

[5uffering]

*not want to read the game* have to go

This is do however take offense to. Did you not see my read wall. I'm more read than you anticipate. Have a scumread on me but don't discredit how much I've bled.

[5uffering]

Accept your misread on me. Don't excuse it by saying it's for other purpose. You're afraid of being wrong so you make a workaround in your head.

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'm out, obviously Watson can do whatever Watson wants, Nancy I'll also literally sheep you on literally anything if I do need to come back later for something, but I *really* need to do some irl shit now

-S

[5uffering]

Sorry Nancy. Not sure if you were giving me a chance or not but the day needs to end.

Make no mistake. I am flipping town. This is a bad scenario to be in but it's possible to still win. I do not like self-voting but I will do it as nobody else wants to move on.

VOTE: 5uffering

[Nancy Drew 39]

You’re an idiot. Get a fucking grip.

idk

can we all just agree that the vs. format is unfun and toxic and call the game?

we should have policy flipped Saudade so that it was clearly established toxicity would not be townread, as soon as one slot gets townread for claiming scum and repping out the 'threshold for acceptable AtE' gets knocked way the fuck out of proportion and now I don't know what I'm supposed to townread or not tbh

like, maybe the earlier ones in the game are more townie for there being no clear incentive on AtE being rewarded, but after Saudade's rep everything after that has a clear potential motivation since disproportionate AtE is getting townread

this thread like, objectively, needs WAY LESS AtE.

-S

I tried to get him limmed though but sure agree. I 100% would have insisted on it had he not replaced out but he is no longer in the game, so I don’t see why PB should have to pay for his sins? I know that’s not what you’re saying but he hasn’t been trying very hard if he’s scum here and gun to head, I think Saudade towntold on the way out. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

So please when I fucking flip town. Consider what I had to say. That's all.

This is very similar what Skitter said in FL vs Hectic btw.

She was wrong about everyone but Xtoxm.

[5uffering]

And what If I'm not? That was a different game with a different pace and everything. No idea what you're implying here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry Nancy. Not sure if you were giving me a chance or not but the day needs to end.

Make no mistake. I am flipping town. This is a bad scenario to be in but it's possible to still win. I do not like self-voting but I will do it as nobody else wants to move on.

VOTE: 5uffering

Can someone unvote please?

Why can’t we wait for Mastina and Tweetie to weigh in? Why are we fucking rushing this?

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 23

• 5uffering
  ----------- 6 ( Starcrossed(5), Morty and Rick(68), clidd(94), Gamma Emerald(172), Sherlock and Watson(156), 5uffering(168) )
  F- 3
  
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 2 ( Fey(3), Dunnstral(34) )
  F- 7
  
  
  Pink Ball
  ----------- 1 ( War and Peace(5) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 1 ( 5uffering(56) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Morning Tweet
  ------- 1 ( Pink Ball(1) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 1 ( olaf(158) )
  F- 8
  
  
  ItalianoVD
  ---------- 1 ( SaraharaS(36) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Red Eye Knights
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Olaf
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 6 ( Morning Tweet(158), Red Eye Knights(24), ItalianoVD(54), Toogeloo(37), Titus(144), Nancy Drew 39(422) )

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-28 00:01:00)

[Nancy Drew 39]

And what If I'm not? That was a different game with a different pace and everything. No idea what you're implying here.

She made a very similar post before she got flipped.

[Sherlock and Watson]

Nancy how about this

How about you say, we will hammer on page 179, no matter what is going on at that point.

So every post before page 179 has weight. No noise. No AtE. On page 179, someone will fucking die.

Because if this game goes to page 180 on the equivalent of day 1, I don't know why that number jumps out at me so much but I just feel like I'm going to blow a gasket if we start running up to a 200 page day 1. I just am. Sorry, I still am dealing with lingering shit from Tenet/Boon.

UNVOTE:

I will make you feel less rushed. But please. Just say this dayphase will end before page 180. PLEASE.

You want things to be slow until Tweetie and Mastina check in? A-OK by me.

-S

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy how about this

How about you say, we will hammer on page 179, no matter what is going on at that point.

So every post before page 179 has weight. No noise. No AtE. On page 179, someone will fucking die.

Because if this game goes to page 180 on the equivalent of day 1, I don't know why that number jumps out at me so much but I just feel like I'm going to blow a gasket if we start running up to a 200 page day 1. I just am. Sorry, I still am dealing with lingering shit from Tenet/Boon.

UNVOTE:

I will make you feel less rushed. But please. Just say this dayphase will end before page 180. PLEASE.

You want things to be slow until Tweetie and Mastina check in? A-OK by me.

-S

Well, we might have avoided BM miselim.

[Morning Tweet]

Sorry Nancy. Not sure if you were giving me a chance or not but the day needs to end.

Make no mistake. I am flipping town. This is a bad scenario to be in but it's possible to still win. I do not like self-voting but I will do it as nobody else wants to move on.

VOTE: 5uffering

:(

Can someone unvote please?

Why can’t we wait for Mastina and Tweetie to weigh in? Why are we fucking rushing this?

I think suffering is town but it's because of certain posts of his that i wish dont happen so in other words townreading him would be encouraging that as a tactic for town which overall will make the game less fun

I'd say he's probably more likely town than not though

this day is not helpful, I would take a town flip over drawing this out even longer, town gets weaker by the minute it feels, with the claims and the apathy starting to set in

Sorry for not being around

[Morning Tweet]

So please when I fucking flip town. Consider what I had to say. That's all.

This is very similar what Skitter said in FL vs Hectic btw.

She was wrong about everyone but Xtoxm.

Just because skitter had wrong reads in a particular game doesnt mean you should blanket disregard dying townies reads, i dont think that should really factor in at all. i suppose your point is that his reads aren't automatically better because he's town dying and that is true, but i would certainly give him the same mind i would anyone else

[Starcrossed]

Can someone unvote please?

UNVOTE: 5uffering

okie dokie

[5uffering]

I give you blessing to vote me Tweetie.

Put your vote back on. Starcrossed.

[Morning Tweet]

BM miselim sucks but it wasn't an inherently bad thing, we know more now than we did before. What the specific conclusions we can make from it, i dont know, but it certainly wasnt the worst elim for town

I concur that rushing is not as much of a factor anymore when the game is 180 pages long on (essentially) d1. And this is not the best stuff for reading people, at all, with it being D1 and all