Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I'm not following.

I think more often than not you would not as Town look at three players voting you early in Day 1 and place all three in the POE, particularly when they’re all active and explaining themselves. There’s no chance in hell I would ever assume myself (unless I was some sort of genius and I’m not) that they’re all Scum or that they all deserve to be in the POE. The fact that you immediately went against one of those reads is confirmation enough that after you saw the votes, you realized just how unrealistic that position was.

the thing about a PoE with more players than there are scum - you ARE assuming some of them are town.

I was basically saying - look: there's probably scum on this wagon if my read is wrong on this initial 3.

[ItalianoVD]

Because they didn't come out as towny enough??

bruh?

why are u asking me to restate shit ive already gone over.

Frankly none of it makes sense.

[ItalianoVD]

i already stated i had voted u for the contradiction from our scum pt in 799 and what u said in this game

So if that was your reason for voting me what changed? Doing a reeval makes no sense since you had already been townleaning me and if the so called contradiction was the thing you voted me for that didn’t change, so it doesn’t make sense to townread me. I feel like you were just doing things to do things imo, especially that readslist.

[Andresvmb]

elements, do you have like, thoughts on things that are happening right now?

battle mage is town
vpb is town
rtp is rapidly becoming scummier
RL has also dropped in my reads

And well yeah I’m glad I moved away from Elements. I was a bit confused by the self-votes and didn’t like that early wall of reads, but this is exactly how I feel reading up to this point.

[RLotus]

I'm not following.

I think more often than not you would not as Town look at three players voting you early in Day 1 and place all three in the POE, particularly when they’re all active and explaining themselves. There’s no chance in hell I would ever assume myself (unless I was some sort of genius and I’m not) that they’re all Scum or that they all deserve to be in the POE. The fact that you immediately went against one of those reads is confirmation enough that after you saw the votes, you realized just how unrealistic that position was.

On 786 RTP mentioned the stuff about his POE, and it looks like his scumread of BM started formulating on 787. The wagon on RTP didn't start until 799.

So, I don't really like this logic. In fact, it looks like the wagon on RTP could have built up in reaction to RTP's POE read.

[RLotus]

I was basically saying - look: there's probably scum on this wagon if my read is wrong on this initial 3.

Well that's just not true

[Reformed Toxic Player]

i already stated i had voted u for the contradiction from our scum pt in 799 and what u said in this game

So if that was your reason for voting me what changed? Doing a reeval makes no sense since you had already been townleaning me and if the so called contradiction was the thing you voted me for that didn’t change, so it doesn’t make sense to townread me. I feel like you were just doing things to do things imo, especially that readslist.

yeah i did take a leap of faith when voting you to see what would happen. and? whats your point? townlean by no means means im going to stop examining your play and poke at suspicious stuff.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I'm not following.

I think more often than not you would not as Town look at three players voting you early in Day 1 and place all three in the POE, particularly when they’re all active and explaining themselves. There’s no chance in hell I would ever assume myself (unless I was some sort of genius and I’m not) that they’re all Scum or that they all deserve to be in the POE. The fact that you immediately went against one of those reads is confirmation enough that after you saw the votes, you realized just how unrealistic that position was.

On 786 RTP mentioned the stuff about his POE, and it looks like his scumread of BM started formulating on 787. The wagon on RTP didn't start until 799.

So, I don't really like this logic. In fact, it looks like the wagon on RTP could have built up in reaction to RTP's POE read.

lmao i legit forgot about this. my memory do be lacking

[Andresvmb]

On 786 RTP mentioned the stuff about his POE, and it looks like his scumread of BM started formulating on 787. The wagon on RTP didn't start until 799.

Is your theory that the entire Scum Team saw themselves placed on a POE by Koba and they all coordinated votes back to back onto them? Because I’ve seen some blatant Scum play in my day but this would absolutely take the cake.

[RLotus]

On 786 RTP mentioned the stuff about his POE, and it looks like his scumread of BM started formulating on 787. The wagon on RTP didn't start until 799.

Is your theory that the entire Scum Team saw themselves placed on a POE by Koba and they all coordinated votes back to back onto them? Because I’ve seen some blatant Scum play in my day but this would absolutely take the cake.

I didn't say they all were scum. But, maybe say scum VTB sees RTP's read of him is shifting against his favor and join BM on his vote. I'm just saying that it possible not that it necessarily did happen.

Regardless, RTP didn't see 3 people on their wagon and decide to POE them

[Reformed Toxic Player]

my doubt that rl is town here evaporating by the second - even I forgot about that shit and for sure a scum player would have just ignored that since its buried so deep.

[Andresvmb]

Regardless, RTP didn't see 3 people on their wagon and decide to POE them

That’s not what I said though. I just said the POE was poor, and I think Koba realized it and quickly changed tactic. I don’t see any other reason why Koba would quickly switch their read on VPB there while drunk. I don’t even think there’s much in the form of content from VPB to prompt the change. Just Koba doing some drinking.

[RLotus]

I think more often than not you would not as Town look at three players voting you early in Day 1 and place all three in the POE, particularly when they’re all active and explaining themselves.

That is what you are saying here no?

[ItalianoVD]

page 33 is boring. why are VD and Datisi arguing? is one pushing a case on the other? Both? please advise (with something interesting).

Im crying. Datisi is scumreading. Par for the course.

[Andresvmb]

I think more often than not you would not as Town look at three players voting you early in Day 1 and place all three in the POE, particularly when they’re all active and explaining themselves.

That is what you are saying here no?

So Koba throws suspicion towards those slots, they all vote for Koba, and Koba places them all in the POE they identify as the winning POE after, only to hard go back on their read of VPB, and you are defending the POE? Am I getting this right?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

andres do u still fos lotus

[RLotus]

I'm just saying I don't think the POE had anything to do with the votes on them. Why he changed his read on VPB, I don't know.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I think more often than not you would not as Town look at three players voting you early in Day 1 and place all three in the POE, particularly when they’re all active and explaining themselves.

That is what you are saying here no?

So Koba throws suspicion towards those slots, they all vote for Koba, and Koba places them all in the POE they identify as the winning POE after, only to hard go back on their read of VPB, and you are defending the POE? Am I getting this right?

reading back was i supposed to magically take them out of the PoE that was already in my head at the time?

-because this is how you are suggesting it.

also i'd like you to give more substantial thoughts about GC please.

[Andresvmb]

I'm just saying I don't think the POE had anything to do with the votes on them. Why he changed his read on VPB, I don't know.

Okay but you’re fighting an argument I’m not making. I said those slots were skeptical of Koba. Not that the POE came about because they were voting Koba.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

RL - I think I've figured something out. I'm wondering if you are on the same page as me or not. tryna send over a brainwave here.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I'm just saying I don't think the POE had anything to do with the votes on them. Why he changed his read on VPB, I don't know.

Okay but you’re fighting an argument I’m not making. I said those slots were skeptical of Koba. Not that the POE came about because they were voting Koba.

i had quite clearly stated it was in reaction their suspicion growing when I started to fos certain slots -> slots at the time i was confident were scum. this is natural to think when you know scum would damage control ASAP if their partner suddenly starts getting PoE'd by a loud townie.

[Andresvmb]

VPB had already posted 698 for example, and mind-melded with Datisi shortly thereafter.

[Andresvmb]

andres do u still fos lotus

Yes.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I think this is wasting valuable conversation space arguing about the semantics of this when there's clear reasoning already stated around those posts - can you respond to the lotus + GC question andres.

pedit: why are they still scum to you here?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I think lotus has demonstrated pretty well they are outside of scumrange for a new player - unless you think they are completely lying.

do you think they are playing similarly to last game?