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Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:36 am

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In post 1840, Menalque wrote:I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?

bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then
i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?
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Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:37 am

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Setup doesn't clarify when the neighborizer effect takes place, only when it needs to happen.
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Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:39 am

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i had actually asked notsci cuz i was confused and he said (if i understood correctly):

- if the hood chooses someone during the day, it happens immediately
- if the day ends before someone gets chosen, it's rng'd post-flip and they get added to the hood then
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Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:39 am

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Based on the general trend I see in setups (disclaimer: not a mech expert by any means), I don’t really think that a recruiting role would be an immediate day-role, in the same way that I don’t really think dayvigs are very common

but mena’s argument makes less nonsense than it did before if he thinks this is how it works

pedit: hmm I assumed skitter also misunderstood the reasoning behind mena’s argument due to the role miscommunication. but now it doesn’t seem like that.
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Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:40 am

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weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
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Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:41 am

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i obviously did not ask these questions privately because I was the OG recruiter, and decided to blindly use the role
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Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:41 am

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In post 1850, Dumb and Dumber wrote:
In post 1840, Menalque wrote:I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?

bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then
i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?
yea

I mean if u were the D1 inductee then I guess u could start out bussing the bomb if scum, but I prob wouldn't induct u on D1 and so I guess I was expecting others wouldn't either
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Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:41 am

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although now that i'm rereading it's a little confusing and maybe i misunderstood when they get added

but the choosing who to add flip is a day action
i'm not sure when the actual adding part happens

pedit i asked notsci as a result of mena posting that theory originally because i realized i didn't understand the timeline
i thought he was talking abt me being the day1 inductee, didn't realize he was talking abt day2
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Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:41 am

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In post 1601, Dumb and Dumber wrote:
In post 1598, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:.... you think the third scum was bussing a bomb!gamma in order to stay off the murder wagon?

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oh hmmm you're right. then like two scum on MC? gamma + scomeone else?
i didn't actually think through all the implicatiosn ig yet lol

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Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:42 am

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In post 1854, Green Crayons wrote:weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
idk
it is possible i misunderstood but that is my understanding of the timeline for when things happen
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Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:43 am

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In post 1596, Dumb and Dumber wrote:
In post 1589, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:skitter are you townreading infinity/why is he not in that pool

- Daenerys
ehhhhh not as much anymore as i was yesterday, his positioning is not great too

i was listing the people on teh gamma wagon (i htink there's at least one scum there) but we can add him to the suspect pool too

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Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:44 am

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lilith what don't you like abt those?
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Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:47 am

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- trying to push gamma as bomb
- while also pushing the people on his wagon as scum
- weird progression on infinity - I straight up didn’t read him as town ever. what did you and auro townread about him D1?
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Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:53 am

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reasons why I don’t think catboi is the bomb


1)
Spoiler: infinity posts about shadow
In post 160, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 154, shadowslug wrote:
In post 142, Infinity 324 wrote:Shadow, why was lilith saying "can we talk about" in scummy but murder saying "can we talk about skitter" not?
Missed this

Uhh I missed this actually, but I don't mind Murder since he thinks there might be value in pushing skitter a bit and seemed content with letting that play out and didn't like you guys switching focus
I like shadow for town, this post and feel like trying to explain gut reads

@lilith is maybe slightly scum-indicative in general, cause it makes sense for scum to lash back there, but eh
In post 164, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 160, Infinity 324 wrote:this post and 149 feel like trying to explain gut reads
To explain this better, I feel like scum would feel more obligated to address the apparent "contradiction" I brought up in but instead he's just saying what he thinks

Using words gang
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In post 170, Green Crayons wrote:Don’t see how 154 isn’t exactly what you said it isn’t.

I don’t think 154 is indicative either way but I’m not seeing how it assuages concerns.
The best way I can explain it is that it's framed as "here's what I thought about murder" and not "here's why I'm not contradicting myself"

These infinity posts feel like he’s possibly TMIing town!shadow, overexplaining reasons he thinks shadow is towny

2)
In post 1831, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I don’t think this is something that scum!infinity says about scum!catboi
In post 1659, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 909, catboi wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald

let's try this out.
This is the first vote on murder I think? It's possible catboi comes in, thinks he needs to bus murder, then sees an opportunity to start a different wagon, but not super occam's razor-y. I also want to stick with my shadow TR.
3) GC previously said catboi has been disgustingly townie. I’m fine with this assessment and also think catboi has been towny. And I think I trust GC’s read, since at most one of them is scum - this is either a genuine read from town!GC or GC is scum and catboi is town anyway.

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Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:55 am

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I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours
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Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:56 am

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In post 1854, Green Crayons wrote:weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
Or if they're nightkilled. I guess then there are no more recruits? That seems more scumsided than I thought.
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Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:57 am

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the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.
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Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:58 am

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In post 1864, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours
you're doing one on why every slot isn't the bomb? looking forward to mine! glad you came around lili ;)
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Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:01 am

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In post 1862, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:- trying to push gamma as bomb
- while also pushing the people on his wagon as scum
- weird progression on infinity - I straight up didn’t read him as town ever. what did you and auro townread about him D1?
Gotta like do work now so i'll circle back to this

But i still think mena is the bomb

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Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:02 am

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In post 1866, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.
yeah this is just mechanics discussion which is NAI or even helpful really at the point, but honestly im being lazy because i'm not making it to elim-or-lose (have we replaced LYLO with another easy to use acronym yet?) and plus I think the best associative tells are already in the thread just waiting for juicy review
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Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:04 am

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In post 1869, Green Crayons wrote:juicy review
will you be providing any juicy review
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Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:05 am

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In post 1865, catboi wrote:
In post 1854, Green Crayons wrote:weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?
Or if they're nightkilled. I guess then there are no more recruits? That seems more scumsided than I thought.
yeah I remember scanning the setup and thinking there were some open questions about what happens if the recruiter dies at some point. i think there are fair and neutral mechanics that could be used so that there is always a recruiter, but not necessarily a single right answer, so maybe in the future this part of the setup would need to be made explicit
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Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:05 am

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In post 1870, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
In post 1869, Green Crayons wrote:juicy review
will you be providing any juicy review
not particularly inclined to do so tbh, but happy to Statler and Waldorf some other people's thoughts
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Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:06 am

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In post 1866, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.
Well, strictly speaking, the original recruit is still conftown but there's 0 reason to talk about that out in the open
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Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 am

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In post 1872, Green Crayons wrote:
In post 1870, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
In post 1869, Green Crayons wrote:juicy review
will you be providing any juicy review
not particularly inclined to do so tbh, but happy to Statler and Waldorf some other people's thoughts
do you want to give input on my catboi thoughts
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