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[Gretchen]

nah i think maf can bus day 1 for sure mini. just depends on the player and if they like to bus or not

[MiniMegabyte]

So if you really believe that DaDude is scum, what do you make of the wagon and how quick it formed?

[Gretchen]

definitely a chance one of their maf buds got one while others voted them. i'm not gonna go looking for them until we have the flip and i know they're maf though

[MiniMegabyte]

Yeah I still don’t know though there is that possibility there I guess

[April Ludgate]

@Mini - I'm an IC, it aint happening, kinda a waste of a push

[April Ludgate]

but i appreciate you giving me more of a possibility to not be night killed

[April Ludgate]

Alright I am all caught up and this is my reads list

Town > Null > Scum
Clidd
Geraintm
Gretchen
Da Dude
RLotus
DGB
Alice
Amelie
Klick
Bugspray
Hypo
April

VOTE: April
I really am struggling to understand them. They post a lot and half if not most of the posts seem kinda shitposty which makes it hard to really sort them properly.

also, none of my posts are ever shitpost without having something

I was Shigaraki from the We Need a Fifth game, if that helps

[RLotus]

It's reasonable that scum would bus their partner in this situation, thinking no way this is going over this early so I'll get the credit for later on.

However Grethchen, DFG, and April have all doubled down on wanting to push the wagon over. Ydra put the vote at e-1 seemingly with full intent to elim. AliceK maybe, but the impression I get is they indeed scum read Da Dude based on her reaction to Mini town reading him. I kind of doubt there is a partner on the wagon if Da Dude flips scum.

Anyway I remain skeptical that Da Dude actually flips scum

[bugspray]

IF da dude flips town at a later point then I beleve there are exactly two scum on the wagon right now

[April Ludgate]

not impossible ydrasse slot is scum here too

[Amélie]

I'm going to stop there for tonight. I need to think more on April Ludgate.

I still think April Ludgate is scum and posts like the one below don't help.

I actually quite like this post. It feels shitposty but at the same time there's some interesting content in it.

I'm glad you get me...

and I feel similar vibes coming from clidd there as well

For Da dude:

Da dude has a lot of very useless posts but I think he is trying. I don't find what he is doing to be scum indicative and I am inclined to say his wagon is being pushed by scum. Scum April.

I did not like Entrapta for many reasons but Da dude is much townier actually. He isn't trying to stop his own elimination. He is very relaxed and trying to provide content as well. He reminds me a bit of my first newbie game and the frustration that I was masking. I think he is trying hard to not let his frustration show through and I town read it.

I think Da dude is town.

[Amélie]

Amelie's certainty about a scumteam is a little bit concerning. I'd have to know whether this is typical for her to really know if it's scummy tho. April has this sure of himself attitude that it does seem natural that he would be trying to put together teams off rip.

Most of the people in this game haven't even played one game with me. Why are you asking other people to read me?
RLotus is definitely a scum read after this post. In my last game with RLotus, I was elimmed the day I replaced in for being too confident.

honestly, im down to flip dadude, i think entrapta would have claimed PR if they were PR there, and i think it's an overall high info flip

Why would he claim PR on like page 10 with like 3 votes

I don't recall this ever happening.

amelie seems like town with one hiccup. amelie how sure are you of those 3 you picked out being maf?

Maybe somewhere around 75 percent certainty.

[Amélie]

nah, their flip on me after they saw me going after entrapta is scummy

nah, their flip on me after they saw me going after entrapta is scummy

You mean after they saw you go for grethcen?

no, they flipped when i unvoted gretchen onto entrapta in their catchup

I am questioning heavily whether or not you even read the game before commenting.

The associative strike me as premature. We'll know more after the Dude sacrifice.

I hate this on more than one level. I think Da dude is town. Why else would he mask frustration?

I'm tinfoilin' a Geraint, Amelie, Da Dude team right now, but i think it almost makes too much sense

sorry, am i right in thinking you have me, amelie and da dude as a scum team? what on earth have i done to appear scummy?

Although, that Idris Elba vote got some stank on it

i don't understand this?

i just realised my random vote was on the big wagonUNVOTE:

I feel like...like scum would try to act more clueless? Does anyone know, er...does anyone know if geraint is the type of person to feign ignorance as scum?

what do you think i am being clueless about? April mentioned Idris Elba's vote, and there is no one in the game with that name but is that an Alt that everyone else knows that i don't?
I can confirm i am always clueless.

Are people taking Aprils claim as serious? I am treating it as a joke

@ rlotus post 392 - i can't work out if you think there is merit in eliminating da dude to get info on the people on the wagon? April seem's to think so.

Does nobody understand the concept of tinfoil...?

No, you are not correct in thinking that

No I am unsure what tinfoil means.

I need to get to work now but I'll be back after work.

[RLotus]

In post 391, RLotus wrote:
Amelie's certainty about a scumteam is a little bit concerning. I'd have to know whether this is typical for her to really know if it's scummy tho. April has this sure of himself attitude that it does seem natural that he would be trying to put together teams off rip.


Most of the people in this game haven't even played one game with me. Why are you asking other people to read me?
RLotus is definitely a scum read after this post. In my last game with RLotus, I was elimmed the day I replaced in for being too confident.

I wasn't asking someone else to read you, I was expressing that I don't know if it's necessarily scummy for you to do that.

If I recall correctly you had confidence on one read not trying to solve the whole game like now and I don't see one day phase of one game good enough to understand how you play.

In post 394, RLotus wrote:
In post 393, April Ludgate wrote:
honestly, im down to flip dadude, i think entrapta would have claimed PR if they were PR there, and i think it's an overall high info flip

Why would he claim PR on like page 10 with like 3 votes


I don't recall this ever happening.

Read the april quote. April says entrapta would have claimed PR there and I said asked why would he do that. Because it's absurd.

[DrippingGoofball]

I’m not sure about flipping Da Dude

as their wagon formed rather quickly

so it’s either an opportunistic wagon for scum or scum could be bussing I’m not 100% sure on that plus we have time still which we can utilise

That's a terrible argument to defend Da Dude.

[DrippingGoofball]

I find it really unlikely that scum would bus day one

It happens all the time, especially with player slots that the scum team views as a handicap.

[DrippingGoofball]

not impossible ydrasse slot is scum here too

Agreed.

[bugspray]

amelie town

[bugspray]

VOTE: april ludgate

[AliceK]

I am not sure what Mini wants to achieve here. His reads are very controversial. Why are you townreading entrapta/DaDude?

Purely based on the wagon.
I find it really unlikely that scum would bus day one (I could be wrong but just my opinion) which leaves the wagon forming so quickly because scum found an opportunity for a wagon and jumped ahead with it.

If you all want to eliminate Da Dude go ahead but I won’t be on the wagon

I agree that bussing Day 1 is something you should not try day 1. First few votes are unlikely to be scums. However, scums could find an opportunity to jump on their buddy's wagon if they believed that the lynch will happen anyway. I can't check timestamps but there is a person on DaDude's wagon that could be trying that.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: April

Okay, just fade me

i dont feel like arguing, just follow what my lead later

[April Ludgate]

im bored and if you guys wanna get rid of a day 4 ic sure, go for it

ill be here coasting until late game now, and solving then, or being faded/night killed.

other than that, i disspell all interest in this game from here on out

[Klick]

Without having read most of the game the above by FL is scummy af

[geraintm]

We still have time.

I don't intend to change the elimination, but I want to see more opinions.

noting this post as interesting

@minimegabyte post 487
an interesting list.
i can see how people in game can put people as townie, but i am struggling how anyone can push people towards scum. are there any tiers on this list?
(BTW, CLidd excellent job on appearing town, everyone loves your posts)

Really? That's an interesting read. You have April at the very bottom.

are you reading the list in the wrong order?

If you all want to eliminate Da Dude go ahead but I won’t be on the wagon

noting this as potentially interesting, it is very similar to clidd above

VOTE: april ludgate

?

VOTE: April

Okay, just fade me

i dont feel like arguing, just follow what my lead later

??????
Anyone who has played with April before, is this at all in character?

[Klick]

So, just a quick sanity check.

As far as I can tell, claiming D4 Innocent Child is not a good move for scum. Unless they have good reason to believe they could secure their victory before then, it just means that, should they be lying, they are guaranteeing their elimination on day 4. Even if they manage to throw everyone off for a few actions, it's not like they would be faking cop, so the damage they could do from everyone assuming they are town is limited.

Playing Devil's advocate for myself, why would scum choose to do that? The only reasons I could think of is if they were trying to Doctor bait. Perhaps a Reflexive Watcher Scum (or a Scum with a Watcher partner) might claim IC if they felt finding a doctor was worth sacrificing themselves... which seems like a really bad trade to me. Also, it feels like a super specific circumstance.

As for why Town might lie about it, it would be trying to NK bait... because they are a bulletproof reflexive watcher or a paranoid gun owner? That also feels like a stretch, if slightly less of one, since those trades would be worth it.

So, my conclusion is that April is Town, even if they are lying about being a D4 IC (which I think is unlikely). Like, if they had claimed to be a Day 6 Innocent Child, I would be insanely suspicious, but for Day 4... It feels like they are trying to turn their time locked IC status into an effective IC role.

Is there anything wrong with my analysis? If not, I'm prepared to treat April as effectively an Innocent Child unless/until it is officially proven.

If all of this is super obvious to everyone, I apologize. I'm mostly working through my own thoughts here.

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