Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Bell]

VOTE: Mastina
VOTE: Mathblade
VOTE: KTT
VOTE: Quiet


VOTE: MathBlade

[Tammy]

So is that a hammer or no?

I really want the weekend to mindmeld and wall with Nacho about this game day. :/

Pretty sure, not.

Kindaaaaa would prefer to go quiet I think.

[Bell]

I mostly just want to know what Nacho has to say about Tammy and when he can be 100% sure if she's town or scum.

[Prism]

I feel I've probably let sangres/Tammy go too easily, but the first ones that really need to get scrutiny are definitely lower down the list that I'm just hipfire reading based off single game sample sizes.

P-Edit: Okay that single post has me thinking Tammy is fine again lmao

[sangres]

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

I'm a little insulted that you think there's any comparison between this game and my (rather good for me) recent scumgame.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why? I have been abundantly clear that your claim was for control regardless of if you're a mason or not. That's the problem I have. It's the elitism and anti-town play that's my problem. If you're a mason, that makes it worse not better as you were under no pressure.

she has literally not done thread control except for leashing my vote to hers

Yeah.

She could have stopped Dunnstral from hiding behind her.

LLD knows that she has that level of influence.

Why would I stop that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm a little insulted that you think there's any comparison between this game and my (rather good for me) recent scumgame.

you should feel great happiness actually that I respect your scum game that much!

[sangres]

So is that a hammer or no?

I really want the weekend to mindmeld and wall with Nacho about this game day. :/

Pretty sure, not.

Kindaaaaa would prefer to go quiet I think.

Quiet's getting replaced. That actually kinda complicates things depending on the skills of the replacing player.

[Prism]

I've got enough energy to spitball, not enough to do my research, result is that I'm not going to hammer but I'm not going to ask the entire game to stall until I feel like undertaking anything substantive.

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Why? I have been abundantly clear that your claim was for control regardless of if you're a mason or not. That's the problem I have. It's the elitism and anti-town play that's my problem. If you're a mason, that makes it worse not better as you were under no pressure.

she has literally not done thread control except for leashing my vote to hers

Yeah.

She could have stopped Dunnstral from hiding behind her.

LLD knows that she has that level of influence.

Why would I stop that?

Because Dunn’s scum Dunndunn

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Can you talk about your Battle Mage townread? I don’t see it at all.

General feeling


Nice town vibes is probably a stronger assertion than I mean for it to sound about a player that I've barely put any scrutiny into

[penguin_alien]

Afternoon Vote Count 1.11

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (3): Battle Mage, GreyICE, Bell
Titus (7): sangres, SirCakez, Kitty Trauma Team, borkjerfkin, MathBlade, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (3): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus

Not voting (2): Tammy, Prism


Mod notes: 58/85 pages used

[MathBlade]

Can you talk about your Battle Mage townread? I don’t see it at all.

General feeling


Nice town vibes is probably a stronger assertion than I mean for it to sound about a player that I've barely put any scrutiny into

Could you? BM is a pretty strong scumread for me.

[Tammy]

I mostly just want to know what Nacho has to say about Tammy and when he can be 100% sure if she's town or scum.

You can read me yourself!

(If I were scum, he'd have already caught me though and I'd probably already be hammered. I'm not joking. I haven't rolled scum in three years, except in a hydra with him last year and we only played a day, and he promised me that he'd not let me go. I don't know how to start a game strong as scum, was always my weakness and he'd be all over that. He might not be 100% at me town right now, but if I were scum he'd be 100% on that.)

So is that a hammer or no?

I really want the weekend to mindmeld and wall with Nacho about this game day. :/

Pretty sure, not.

Kindaaaaa would prefer to go quiet I think.

Quiet's getting replaced. That actually kinda complicates things depending on the skills of the replacing player.

HRM.

Are you waffling on Titus at all?

[Titus]

Why? I have been abundantly clear that your claim was for control regardless of if you're a mason or not. That's the problem I have. It's the elitism and anti-town play that's my problem. If you're a mason, that makes it worse not better as you were under no pressure.

she has literally not done thread control except for leashing my vote to hers

Yeah.

She could have stopped Dunnstral from hiding behind her.

LLD knows that she has that level of influence.

Why would I stop that?

By not stopping it, you effectively vetoed his elimination.

[MathBlade]

Why? I have been abundantly clear that your claim was for control regardless of if you're a mason or not. That's the problem I have. It's the elitism and anti-town play that's my problem. If you're a mason, that makes it worse not better as you were under no pressure.

she has literally not done thread control except for leashing my vote to hers

Yeah.

She could have stopped Dunnstral from hiding behind her.

LLD knows that she has that level of influence.

Why would I stop that?

By not stopping it, you effectively vetoed his elimination.

This is something I agree with you on.

[Tammy]

2. Tammy - gtmh scum, nothing done since midmorning

Subject: TENET - Game Over

Hey Almost50 who is scum?

So far I only have Pooky & Imperium below Null, bur I do have 5 nulls so any of them could be scum too. (in other words, not you/unwnd/Brian/Gypyx/HP)

Tammy is the easiest player to read ever lol. How do you have Imperium at below Null?

The reason I made that face.

[sangres]

I mostly just want to know what Nacho has to say about Tammy and when he can be 100% sure if she's town or scum.

You can read me yourself!

(If I were scum, he'd have already caught me though and I'd probably already be hammered. I'm not joking. I haven't rolled scum in three years, except in a hydra with him last year and we only played a day, and he promised me that he'd not let me go. I don't know how to start a game strong as scum, was always my weakness and he'd be all over that. He might not be 100% at me town right now, but if I were scum he'd be 100% on that.)

So is that a hammer or no?

I really want the weekend to mindmeld and wall with Nacho about this game day. :/

Pretty sure, not.

Kindaaaaa would prefer to go quiet I think.

Quiet's getting replaced. That actually kinda complicates things depending on the skills of the replacing player.

HRM.

Are you waffling on Titus at all?

If you've got a micrometer you can probably measure my waffle. It's there, but it's small.

[MathBlade]

I wanna see Titus’s catch up. I think she’s pretty scummy right now but maybe giving her a day and feeling better changes things. Translation: My waffle meter is tiny but if she’s scum welcome the spew.

[Tammy]

LLD - I know that you don't often like to talk about town reads, thought you sometimes will!, could you say something about why you have Dunn at 75% town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

75% is the default probability for everyone

[Bell]

My 2 attempts at reading you were horrible failures.

In tenet I believe I scum read you AFTER you were a mod confirmed IC.
And before that I got scum stomped by you.

I'd rather just outsource it and blame somebody else if they're wrong.

Also, you have rolled scum, recently. So, that's weird.

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Can you talk about your Battle Mage townread? I don’t see it at all.

General feeling


Nice town vibes is probably a stronger assertion than I mean for it to sound about a player that I've barely put any scrutiny into

Could you? BM is a pretty strong scumread for me.

Just for you I'll dive the ISO when I get home

[Spiffeh]

Can we not hammer until Nacho gets to post this weekend? I would appreciate his input.

That slot isn’t dying tonight anyway but I need to hear from him before Day’s end.

[Tammy]

Town: {Bell, sangres, Tammy, Mathblade, Kitty Trauma Team}
Townlean: {SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Prism, LLD*}
Null: {Pooky, mastina, Titus, GreyICE}
Scumlean: {quiet, Battle Mage}
Scum: {Dunnstral}

Spoiler:

*If LLD is mason, she's obviously confirmed town. This is where she is in the reads list if she's lying about the mason claim. Because apparently that's a thing.

Random thoughts:
I made this reads list a little top heavy; I'm open to reevaluating my Town reads down the line but I feel good about a lot of people and I wanted my reads list to reflect that. If I were being conservative I'd probably put KTT in Townlean and bork, Prism, and LLD in null.

To elaborate a little bit on the Mathblade read, I felt from the beginning that there's no reason for Mathblade to thrust himself into the limelight during the Prism Flavor Saga (which is a good title for a fantasy book series). When met with a ton of pressure after his flavor arguments, and declared the lim for the Day by the claimed mason, he doesn't back down, which tells me he's anything BUT survivalistic as a lot of people are trying to characterize him (this is probably the first place I'm going to look for scum in the event Mathblade is mislimmed, btw). I find myself agreeing with a lot of his later posts, such as his reach out to KTT and SirCakez as TvT (although he seems to be back on the Cakez is scum train?), and his recent exchanges with Titus always leave me questioning Titus and completely understanding where Mathblade is coming from. I already cited 1304 as a the towniest post in the game and I stand by that an hour and a half later.

KTT wins most improved: From humble beginnings as an early scum lean, they have catapulted themselves to one of the top spots in my town pool thanks to both heads' recent posting.

Cakez feels natural and isn't trying too hard to be a badass so he's probably Town.

I almost put GreyICE in the scum lean category, I didn't like his first several posts where he emphasized how he didn't care about the Morning phase, and I don't like how the majority of his content is wrapped up in picking apart mastina's walls. These interactions with mastina don't really fit with the rest of his play style this game. Like cool we can all find some shit wrong with mastina's posts in every game she plays, regardless of her alignment. I felt, and still kinda feel, that getting into a back and forth with mastina of all people would be easy for scum to do because it makes a big show of "scumhunting" when it doesn't really accomplish anything. But then I remembered his first post where he immediately checks mastina's ISO for a scum read, so there is precedence for his focus on mastina. And I seem to recall GreyICE pretending to give a shit every time I've seen him as scum, and his early posts don't really point to that. So all of this cancels out into a null read, congrats. Be more readable pls

I hated Battle Mage's vote on Mathblade, he had a previously stated town read on him and his justification for the 180 in the read was that Mathblade was being survivalistic which I already explained is like the exact opposite way I would characterize Math's behavior. He also had a post that rubbed me the wrong way about SirCakez having a great scum game, which to me seemed to fuel the fire of the ongoing Cakez paranoia at the time without really contributing his thoughts on Cakez in a meaningful way? Felt like scum taking a potshot from the sidelines. And while I was Scum in both Xenoblade and Pooky vs. FL (I sound like a broken record) I thought Battle Mage was super obviously Town in both those games and I don't get those vibes here. But I also didn't give a fuck about reading him in those games so take that with a grain of salt.

Just wanted to tell you that when I read this post earlier while finishing up my grading. Did I tell you that I'm done with my grading? Like I'm in total bliss that I'm caught up with work?

Anyway, I saw this and was like



And I super hope you're really town this time because we're looking at the game pretty similarly, and I hope that we're not really off.

I don't feel as great about Cakez as you do, but I don't have him as as big a concern as I did previously. I like Prism more than you do. And I'm as big a waffle town on Dunnstral as Titus. Well no not as much but there is definitely waffling around these parts.

pedit: bell - uh no I've only rolled scum with nacho in the flying scumsman in a hydra with nacho; I haven't rolled scum by myself in years. Where did you think I had?