Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

We have 17 pages and 24 hours remaining, we can stop with the theatrics about not wanting to post too much or scum ploys to make someone post a few extra times

And yes BM, that was directed at you, and no I don't think you've contributed much

well i disagree - i think i'm doing a good job by my standards! compared to my expected contribution of guaranteeing scum a free Day 1 mis-elim. Here I might even make it to Day 2! and as importantly, i'm staying out of all the non-game-related stuff which normally irks me.

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Picking up my Titus dive from my "random stop"

wait hold on, somebody's knocking on my door which is weird because it's 6:15am and I don't get mail delivery here

Oh wow, hey that's weird. Sure I'll sign for the package.

here mathblade, these are for you, it's a special delivery, just came in with your name on it

Spoiler:

46- doesn't like that Math got attacked for FoSing LLD's claim. I gotta agree here, but I do think LLD fakeclaiming mason is possibly NAI

47- Thinks sang could be scum, doesn't have a case, feels the same about Dunn. Thinks LLD and GI are town, but playing badly. Says she's sure LLD will get mad but she doesn't care about LLD's tantrums. See, me personally, if I was scumreading LLD or Grey, or even mildly suspicious, I'd probably just keep it to myself. Not because I'm afraid of them, mind you, but because they're about as hard to elim as I am, and I don't think this game is ever ready for the 40+ pages it would take to get there. Both of them have a similar style to me in which they intentionally make it a long, arduous, draining process to eliminate the slot. So, if I suspected either of them, I'd just keep calling them lock town until they either killed me or they took me to endgame where I could betray them by revealing that I've been scumreading them for a long time. But I digress.

47.5- Anyway, she then goes on to say she's glad Math is letting the thread breathe. (agreed, I was just complaining to Mala about how Math's posts make the game hard to follow. She seemed sad about my feeling that way) Thinks Spiffeh is whiteknighting her, leans town on bork. Calls Cakez town for now, which I very obviously disagree with.

48- Says she should scumread a Pooky post but likes the tone.

479- Talks about how LLD is all about control. This is her interpretation of LLD's playstyle, and I don't think LLD is necessarily about control. I think she's about just shouting her deepest emotions into the thread and hoping it helps her. I actually think LLD has a lot more *self*-control than she used to, but I've seen her lose control of too many games to think that control is her deal. I don't think there's any game where she fears getting drowned out in a game of personality. But this conversation about certain playstyles and thread control could go on for weeks and never come to consensus.

50- Clarifies 47

51. Calls manipulative a dirty word for persuasion

52- Repeats the choice of word. Says she doesn't enjoy a game with Math and LLD "like this." Again, I can feel the thread wearing down on her psyche. This is a slow descent, and I feel like I can definitely see a logical trajectory to her defeatism later.

It should be noted that by this point in the deep dive, I'm town reading Titus a lot better. I told Mala around the time yesterday that I took a break from it, that I was starting to feel a lot better about the slot

53- Agrees with Spiffeh saying she should have asked something

54- thinks math might flip town and doesn't trust LLD. Complains about Math's posting rate (agreed, I said something to mala about this yesterday, I believe my exact words were "Jesus fucking christ, I can't read this shit, he posts like a caffeine addicted hedgehog with a meth problem. It's like he's on fire, rapidly burning to death and only more posts can put the fire out." Isn't a fan of post limits. I think they can work depending on the player list. This is not that player list.

55- Says the wagon on Math is almost entirely town. I'm not looking at who was on the wagon at the time, but I do disagree with this assertion.

56- Says she's going to catch up. good fucking luck lmao

57- More of where she's starting to feel like her posts don't matter because people are giving LLD control. Again, she's behind in the game, she's out running errands, and the game just keeps moving at a thousand miles an hour, so this is another logical progression

58- Thinks sang is playing it safe and can be scum

59- Surprised LLD isn't angry, some more annoyed-posting (remember the whole point of this deep dive is because I play the game by reading emotion and responses and this helps me get a grip on her emotional progression) No longer thinks Grey is town because of the shade he threw on people for trying to catch up. I don't scumread Grey for it, but I thought it was real real shitty, given Grey's own lack of posting, the breakneck speed of the game, the "but there are two of them" towards me considering the whole fucking point of a hydra is that neither of us have time to post a hundred posts a day, and the fact that I never ever once promised to "catch up soon." I will always and forever read only what I want, and if the thread gets too out of hand, I'll just ignore the backstory and jump back in. You think that's shitty? Here's a secret-- When I replace into 200 page games, I don't even read to catch up. I just tell everyone I did and start screaming at someone.

60- Sheeping mastina onto Prism. I don't like the flavor case mastina made. I think it's meaningless and I don't think the game would be broken by flavor. I think there are other reasons Prism can be scum. Now, I've softened on Prism a bit, and I told Mala that yesterday. I do kind of like Prism's reaction to my shouty kuribo posts, and I fairly like his posts since then. If he's scum, he can wait till after Cakez. I digress. Here, Titus also says she can see Prism and Cakez being scum together, and I do agree with that, although as I say I'm softening on Prism.

61- jesus christ do I really have like twenty more posts to go Anyway she's not sure if LLD is scum.

62- Interacts with LLD, doesn't like Math's reads. Calls being arrogant while wrong a town-tell. whew what a relief. Points out that Prism is townreading Cakez despite Cakez not fulfilling Prism's request, calls the game a chore, again mentions being demotivated. I don't think she's faking the reasoning for her demotivation. At one point I worried that she was scum watching her team burn in flames, but this deep dive definitely charts a progression of frustration.

63- Calls Cakez out again for not filling Prism's request

64- Votes Cakez, says it's Cakez + Prism I like this

65- says sangres probably too. Okay listen, mala keeps mentioning that I had concerns or a theory about the sangres slot, but I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty sure I told her that when I had the fever and now I can't remember what the hell I was on about. mala, if you read this, remind me lol this whole game is a gray mush of a slog

66- Asks Math why the flavor expert hasn't analyzed mastina's flavor case on Prism. I don't care about the flavor arguments and my soul glazes over whenever it comes up

67- Tells mala that she doesn't care. Accuses Math of not posting in good faith. Says she doesn't want to engage Math

68- doubts Cakez and Prism are scum together based on VC. yeah but a day 1 wagon that doesn't end in elim is easy as hell to manipulate.

69- Claims VT Says she doesn't care. This right here is the boiling point where her frustrations over the past week have hit a head.

70- Gives her final list of reads. Says she wishes she could replace out because she just doesn't want to play with Math and LLD. Calls a replace out in that case tactical, which it wouldn't be, but whatevs. Replacing out because other people are making you not want to play has nothing to do with an in-game advantage.

Titus and everyone reading this, if you EVER ever EVER listen to ANY post I ever make, make it this one:

You don't owe anyone your mental health.

This is the most important advice I can ever give another living soul. I don't care if it's your partner, your ex, your sibling, your parents, or some random nobodies on the internet. You don't owe them your mental health. That is too valuable a price to keep anyone in your life.

71- Admits she's feeling defeated, hates the mechanics

72- Fairly good analysis of the gamestate and revealing more of her defeated attitude. It's somewhat long but I agree with a lot of it

73- Still annoyed with the game itself

74- Says she may be depressed and takes some time to sort all of that out.

I'm going to end this deep dive at this "completely random" point (@Math: ) which is actually where I always intended for it to end. The whole point was for me to see if I could find a trajectory to her feeling defeated in the game state, and based on my reading of her emotion and tone throughout the game, this is where I am:

I feel that Titus was frustrated for the better part of a week about the gamestate and its breakneck speed. I feel she's frustrated with her brother, because she had given him advice on how to kinda help the thread settle and she felt he didn't take it. I feel she's frustrated with LLD and has concerns about the mason claim. I feel she's frustrated that she feels some of the stronger town players are getting drowned out to what she essentially feels is a lot of arguing and noise. I add all of these up and not only do I feel her frustration and defeatism is legit, I think it's town.

And that's a pretty important distinction to make. Again, I play the game by reading emotion and response. I did this deep dive fully expecting to come back and place my vote back on Titus, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I don't think she's scum. I can't imagine that's what Math wants to hear, or what a few other people want to hear, but lol like I give a fuck what anyone thinks. This is how I feel, having now spent two hours of my life reading an analysis of Titus' posts. TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED WORDS about Titus. If I add 2100 more and a few sex scenes, whip up a nice cover with some titties, I could publish it on Amazon and make $20, but nooooo I had to waste nearly 3000 words and two hours of my life on this game.

[Kitty Trauma Team]

And somehow they aren’t voting anyone. (For Tammy indecision seems to be normal? for mala and kuribo I have no idea why they haven’t murder tunneled somebody yet).

AH YES "lukewarm" takes like "HEY YOU SCUM FUCKERS, ELIM ME TODAY AND MY SCUMREADS TOMORROW" or "here is how i waste hours of my life ISOing people"

I'd lynch Cakez so fast it would make your soul cry. I have been very vocal, very clear, and i have OFFERED TO LET MYSELF GET BRONZED FIRST AS LONG AS YOU DUMMIES TAKE HIM NEXT. Mala wakes up from a 30 hour shift to find me in a 1v1, and you call that lukewarm? Man, if you don't gtfo with that.

I'm going to tell you something that I have had to repeat a billion times over the last fourteen years: I will vote whoever the hell I want, whenever the hell I want, and you'll not have a god damn thing to say about it.


And who the fuck are you that you think you know my style? Listen here, I don't do "lukewarm" regardless of my alignment. This game is so rambling and unfun that the only reason I'm not screaming at the screen with blood frothing from my very lungs is because, surprise surprise, I tend to get banned for "abusive behavior," if I do things like tell you that your analysis of me is the stupidest god damn thing I've read since that erotic novel I read that was CLEARLY ripping off Kenshi lore. So I'm not going to tell you that, but I am going to nod and point vigorously in the direction of Kindle Unlimited. If there's one thing it should be REAL FUCKING CLEAR by now, I don't like soft shade. I don't like stupid pointless snipey shade.

And speaking of this game being unfun: "Oh hey, we have a page limit of X, let's add 23 pointless pages over the course of 48 hours!" Honestly, I'd have replaced out already if I weren't the second head of a hydra. The whole fucking point of hydra'ing with Mala is because I don't really play anymore, I don't ENJOY playing anymore, and I barely have time to play. And you know what Bell? If you can't figure out in EIGHTY FUCKING POSTS that I'm town, that's honestly a you problem. Whether you're town or your scum, I suggest you stop sniping at me with shitty non-arguments like "lol lukewarm." It's not going to accomplish anything

These are the only two posts I'm making today, the rest of you can keep spewing your word vomit into a post limited thread for all I care.

man do I miss three weeks ago when I wasn't playing. i could be playing NES games or writing erotic novels and making some money instead of dealing with you people

Vote: SirCakez

real funny how everyone keeps calling him scum but this thread is just tripping over itself to bronze anybody but him.

HEY CAKEZ

1V1 STILL STANDS

-kuribo duh, and the previous post was me too, man, don't none of y'all go bugging mala about why she said this that or the other, it's real fucking obvious which posts are me and which ones are her

[Dunnstral]

SirCakez, Mathblade, Spiffeh, Titus

the fuck are you doing off the titus wagon at this point in the game if you legitimately think this

I'm just getting the vibe from 1455 that titus wants to talk more about the reads that aren't legitimate scumreads (math, lld) than the people she's actually scumreading other than cakez. a lot of those other scumreads are heavily laced with plausible deniability

cakez/quiet take seems much ado about nothing to me; i thought cakez' point was pretty salient, that people attacking quiet are kind of doing it recently and therefore more relating to the lack of activity and less about really the content; titus should want to flip quiet here and not cakez because that entire point is predicated on cakez defending a buddy

I'm just less sure on her and there's other people I'd like to bronze more

Looking at that post I don't hate her reads, though I don't get why she's 'scumreading' me

And yes, I want to bronze sircakez today, primarily

[Bell]

Classic Kuribo. <3.
Like water off a duck's back.

[penguin_alien]

Afternoon Vote Count 1.15

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (1): Battle Mage
Titus (5): SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (4): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism

Not voting (1): Tammy


Mod notes: 69/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Prodding GreyICE

[Battle Mage]

leaning mastina of the 3 options presented. happy to be persuaded otherwise.

VOTE: mastina

[Titus]

Hey, vc comment here.

SirCakez is one wagon.
The other two scumread him.

[SirCakez]

@Dunstrall, Bork. Yeet targets?

I'm waiting on Nacho. TBH.
I am losing convinction on MB scum.

Town block RN is just Sangres, Spiffeh, LLD today. Which isn't good enough based on my experience in Tenet. If I want to win through PoE I need to solve faster tbh.

SirCakez, Mathblade, Spiffeh, Titus

That's where I'm at

Quiet slot can live to day 2 while we get somebody else - right now I think it's likely scum as well

Help me bus Titus then

scumread-with-a-conditional-locktown-condition scumread lockscum.

what the fuck?

Bell, I do not follow and your townread is tanking fast.
Let’s take a look at what you’re saying but instead of Mastina replace it with scumread

Because a scumread’s view point is such that she is asking that I trust the scumread in a game of mafia using an appeal to authority. The scumread’s view is narrow.

Of course scumread’s view is narrow definitionally, they’re scum. So try again, why Mastina over Titus? When scum Mastina wants to be elimmed over Titus?

This is exactly what happened in Boonskiies that I took advantage of as scum. I manipulated the RA hydra into continuing to push Angel to the point Angel scum claimed (as town) to protect sequence. At best Mastina is deluded town here. At worst she’s scum who wants Titus alive. Her reads are crap and her mechanics are crap and LLD’s take her list and flip it upside down is better than right side up imho (exception LLD obvi)

my problem with Mastina is I have learned the hard way that her batshit insane reads and logic don't necessarily mean she is scum (I fell for it so hard in Doubles Mafia)
I think certain things she is saying are scum pinging but I'm not that confident

[SirCakez]

why does GreyICE vanish whenever LLD is not being discussed?

[SirCakez]

Cakez, can we talk more about your Titus read? What makes you so confident in having her dead to rights? I see the delusional stuff in 1391, I'm not as familiar with Titus but I absolutely buy it, and I don't see as many issues with the reads wall as you do in 1568. In particular, I think her stances on Tammy, mastina, and the lack of stronger scumreads besides yourself are really questionable as scum. These also largely match up to what I saw from her thinking in her ISO.

This does remind me that I should reread her specifically to check out the progression on you.

ok so I have quite a bit of experience with Titus, most recently in BooneyToonz game where I won as scum by getting her misyeeted
when she is town and under pressure she doesn't react the way she is reacting here. she does not get this defensive for sure.
as well she takes stronger stances as town then the stuff she is offering up here. her SR on me seems incredibly fake by her standards, from my PoV it is completely wrapped around this meta I didn't do which I don't think town!Titus uses as enough of a reason for her top SR. it seems like she is grasping at straws because she does not have something better to offer up.

[SirCakez]

also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

[SirCakez]

I'll help yeet Mastina if we can't force Titus

[SirCakez]

I do think scum want to miselim me this game, I was right about this in the recent Popcorn Mafia
historically people on this site love to miselim me and the pool of people on my ass (dunn, titus, mastina, pooky) is definitely infested with scum

@Prism, Sir Cakez' received some critique of his scum game in the Among Us large theme post game, and I understand that he applied it in the Booneytoonz game. Long story short, he's always tended to bus too easily. He worked on that in the BoonyToonz game. I'm not firing on all cylinders atm but I don't ~think~ his behavior around his partners was a big factor in what you were comparing from Xeno to here, but maybe I missed it. Here's his booneytoonz ISO. I'll take a closer look at this tomorrow. It seems like something that would be more useful to consider on Day 2, though his day 1 positioning on Noraa in Xeno looked scummy and also highlighted her as a likely partner.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12507107

I will :thumbs-up: this
I don't think my scum game in Xeno is really too relevant anymore because I feel I have significantly improved since then with advice from a lot of people (including scum god Cabd and a bunch of people postgame in Among Us) and a lot of experience in three scum large theme games in a row

This also has none of the hallmarks of a Titus town game
1) No attempt to townblock
2) No attempt to pick apart mechanics
3) No attempt to lead
4) No shotgun poke everything and it’s sibling.

None of that.
Instead she’s said “woe is me” and Math don’t post.
Which is very indicative of scum!Titus hating what I am posting versus anything Townie

I think this is a pretty good reflection of what I'm feeling about Titus @Prism
And Mathblade knows her much better than I do

[SirCakez]

I have changed my mind on KTT I think they are town and I'm just annoyed Kuribo won't fuck off to actual scum

[SirCakez]

HEY CAKEZ

1V1 STILL STANDS

ok I know I just said I TRed you but I will fight you anyways
BLOOD GOD IS HERE
AND HES REAL HUNGRY

[SirCakez]

everyone

first off
who the fuck is everyone?
the four members of the scum team probably and you
how does it feel voting with a bunch of scum huh?

[Tammy]

Will be back later and will be around for deadline.

Hoping for nacho to make an appearance. I would like this thoughts on mastina, titus and cakez.

I'm just reading through cakez's iso and I think I might prefer cakez over mastina actually. They're both in my list of possible scum, so it's not a big preference, but I'm just reminding of how often cakez has pinged me throughout this day. He has some good posts that I like, and I didn't really have an issue with the comment about math having a meltdown and kuribo's interaction there. I'm just coming out of a game with town!cakez in which he did a very similar sort of thing and then misrepresented and argument I made. At first I couldn't believe it would come from town, and then I realized he probably was town (with a lot of nacho insistence!). I also don't mind that he asked for meta and didn't do anything with it. I've asked for meta with great intentions to do something with it and then never done it.

I initially liked that he was concerned about the quiet issue and being in everyone's poe/bronze piles, but looking back Cakez had quiet in his would bronze list. He didn't like quiet's position on Mathblade the way quiet danced around mathblade but didn't take a position. He then got worried about his activity vs. booneytoonz. He then starts calling quiet a LHF bronze when criticizing mastina's reads list and finds it odd that everyone else had that scum read too. When Titus calls him out on it, he says he made the post in response to seeing quiet in Prism and someone else's bronze piles. But here's where that loses me. Prism is a never bronze for Cakez, so why does quiet being in his super strong town read's list make him nervous? And he doesn't do anything with the other one, he says he'll have to go back and look. He mentions that he also had him on his bronze list until it seemed clear he flaked and the flaking is the key there. I guess I just don't really get that point or why he didn't show any concern about who he thinks is sticking quiet in their bronze pool as LHF.

I'm not even sure if I should be concerned about this actually. Recent games tell me that just because he's not following the thread to the end of the line and making more considerations about it might not mean he's scum. But it doesn't feel natural. And a lot of his pop ins don't feel natural. His scum reads and strength of reads like the ones just before this post feel quite a bit posturey.

I don't like his read on Titus or his meta there. He's claiming she doesn't state the defeated crap as town, and that she doesn't get this defensive, but oh yes she does. In Tenet as she was getting run up and misyeeted, she did get defeated and talked about how some things hurt her feelings. She was more active in pushing her scum reads there, but she was still getting a bit demotivated and defensive by the accusations there. I'm not even sure Titus is town here, so this isn't to say this makes Titus town but just Cakez is pushing a meta read on Titus that I don't understand.

Might prefer there then, not sure, but I'll be back in a bit.

For mastina I just don't know. She doesn't look town to me, but yeah who knows.

pedit: Yeah I don't know with Cakez more recent posts :/ But comparing popcorn as scum like to miselim, that is not exactly true. Scum basically split the bill on cakez, and my theory that scum wanted to get cakez shot was so that he could shoot us for the loss.

[SirCakez]

I initially liked that he was concerned about the quiet issue and being in everyone's poe/bronze piles, but looking back Cakez had quiet in his would bronze list. He didn't like quiet's position on Mathblade the way quiet danced around mathblade but didn't take a position. He then got worried about his activity vs. booneytoonz. He then starts calling quiet a LHF bronze when criticizing mastina's reads list and finds it odd that everyone else had that scum read too. When Titus calls him out on it, he says he made the post in response to seeing quiet in Prism and someone else's bronze piles. But here's where that loses me. Prism is a never bronze for Cakez, so why does quiet being in his super strong town read's list make him nervous? And he doesn't do anything with the other one, he says he'll have to go back and look. He mentions that he also had him on his bronze list until it seemed clear he flaked and the flaking is the key there. I guess I just don't really get that point or why he didn't show any concern about who he thinks is sticking quiet in their bronze pool as LHF.

My point with this wasn't that scum were specifically trying to misyeet Quiet
I was saying that I think we were just looking in the wrong place with him
At the time I made that post Quiet had come up as a potential elim for the day and that's roughly when I reconsidered
I had him in my elim pool earlier before he flaked. The replace out is key; it indicates that he was not lurking, but legitimately just had something else going or couldn't handle the game

[Spiffeh]

I'll probably be choosing between mastina and Titus today

Unless SirCakez really shits the bed in his posts the last ten pages I don't really want to go there today

[Tammy]

I might just sheep captain my captain :p

No, but seriously, what made you change your mind on Titus, spiffeh?

[Spiffeh]

I had a pretty elaborate post on Titus in 1402. Which is still where I stand because I'm just now beginning to read the last 10-15 pages.

[Bell]

We have 17 pages and 24 hours remaining, we can stop with the theatrics about not wanting to post too much or scum ploys to make someone post a few extra times

And yes BM, that was directed at you, and no I don't think you've contributed much

Cool I can agree with that.

Bell won’t be elimmed anyway but is no longer a townread.

Don’t see how “one game I did X” is lazy. I didn’t use a meta reason for you. I did use one for Mastina.

I think Titus is a very good elim today.

Opening this question up for everyone.
What do they think of this post.

Bbl. zoom meeting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

cakeboi

not a single post you have made this entire game makes me think you actually believe I am scum.

it's comical at this point.

[MathBlade]

I'll probably be choosing between mastina and Titus today

Unless SirCakez really shits the bed in his posts the last ten pages I don't really want to go there today

KTT why the puke emojis?

I am kinda torn. I townread the entire Titus wagon except Cakez.

But my townreads are saying Titus is town.
If Titus is town then Mastina is probably town,
So then Cakez?

That’s where I am confused on but I don’t like the wagon on Cakez as it has majority of my PoE.
Also Cakez posting this page of buddying me is crap as it’s well known I have a predisposition towards scumreading Titus

You know what: Fuck it.

VOTE: SirCakez