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[Ydrasse]

oh i was skimming earlier really fast while waiting on something to load and i thought it might’ve been tmi and i don’t remember if it was pooky or alisae actually so i’ll try to find it again when i’m home

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re going to just leave us on that cliffhanger huh Ydrasse.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

Why are you backpedaling?

?

it's a statement of fact in response to a question

[Ydrasse]

yes sorry i only have four minutes of my break yet but iirc it was a more certain post about my alignment

i think it was pooky but if it came after the alisae fighting i don’t think it means as much bc his perspective has changed from that

[Farkran]

Norwee

do you think there's any possibility

that I'm just town and wrong about someone being scum?

Like isn't that pretty much the default scenario for any town player who's pushing early d1 off no info?

the odds mathematically aren't on our side.

So immediately jumping to a SvT dichotomy when

we're mostly just probing and reaction testing at this stage with no info

is super shady...

Like this is EXACTLY why i haven't been attacking your position on alisae -- consistently with your previous votes, i thought that your scumhunting process was to stir the waters and see what sticks, which makes sense from a town perspective

Now though the strength of your case against Alisae gives little room for reconsidering from your part and yet you admitted that you are just probing and you've taken steps back from your case because... Why? Because a couple of people defended er and you're being runned up?

I don't like this at all

Also i still think day could be scum, but it'd make sense if scum with pooky so my vote is most useful here rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what step back are you even talking about?

Norwee asked me if I could be wrong about Alisae

and I said I could be wrong.

Like that's not a step back, that's a statement of fact.

I can be wrong (It happens!)

I'm not some infallible scumhunting god.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and that's not even a strong case.

I've reconsidered on much stronger cases.

If you do not constantly question if you are wrong on something,

you're just not playing very well.

I sometimes get tunnelled - I am working on getting better at questioning my own beliefs.

[Farkran]

Bolded sentence in the post i quoted wasn't referring to something in the past, you specifically said "this stage", "with no info"

Yet just a few pages ago you took your time to build a case against ali including forum screenshots, i mean, that took a significant effort to label it as probing right now

I see a strong discrepancy between what you pushed ali for and how much you *want* to commit to it now

[Something_Smart]

Scum!Alisae believes in pushing scum role objectives.

Alisae, is this true?

It seems pretty hard to believe to me that scum-Alisae wouldn't even attempt to appear like they would as town, especially this early in the game when it's not at all clear what role objectives actually help them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bolded sentence in the post i quoted wasn't referring to something in the past, you specifically said "this stage", "with no info"

Yet just a few pages ago you took your time to build a case against ali including forum screenshots, i mean, that took a significant effort to label it as probing right now

I see a strong discrepancy between what you pushed ali for and how much you *want* to commit to it now

the probing/reaction testing with no info

refers to my initial push on Ydrasse which was not very serious from my PoV.

Alisae jumped to a SvT dichotomy on it and pushed that dichotomy.

I find that scummy.

Building a case with screenshots of like 5 posts is not high effort for me.

When I build serious cases they look much much better.

I don't commit to things early on D1, we are not even 24 hours into the game - I am simply not going to hard commit to anything this early. There's plenty of game left to be played.

[Chara]

i have heard Ali say what Pooky is saying about eir scumgame. e focuses on playing to win and doesn't care about blending in/making subpar moves from a scum perspective in order to look town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here you go

@SS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12403331

[Farkran]

Bolded sentence in the post i quoted wasn't referring to something in the past, you specifically said "this stage", "with no info"

Yet just a few pages ago you took your time to build a case against ali including forum screenshots, i mean, that took a significant effort to label it as probing right now

I see a strong discrepancy between what you pushed ali for and how much you *want* to commit to it now

the probing/reaction testing with no info

refers to my initial push on Ydrasse which was not very serious from my PoV.

Alisae jumped to a SvT dichotomy on it and pushed that dichotomy.

I find that scummy.

Building a case with screenshots of like 5 posts is not high effort for me.

When I build serious cases they look much much better.

I don't commit to things early on D1, we are not even 24 hours into the game - I am simply not going to hard commit to anything this early. There's plenty of game left to be played.

I get that your votes on ydrasse and suji could've been probing, which is why i commented on them but ultimately left them be

Your case on ali looked different to me, but in the last couple posts you've made, it sounds like you want to put it in the same bin as the other two and i don't like that

It sounds like positioning against the flip, like, "oh sorry town i was wrong in the end", as if you don't believe anymore that alisae could actually flip red

I mean why are you now saying your own case was weak instead of pushing it further?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1. Its not in the same bin as the other votes.

2. My response to norwee is simply that I can be wrong. thats a thing that happens. it would be arrogant to say otherwise.

3. Im not positioning for anything, Ali isnt even close to being flipped.

4. I am responding to your conment about commitment. You seem to think this is some super strong case that I need to be married to. thats simply not the case. nor is it how I want to play the game, I enjoy mafia and am trying to avoid hard tunnelling. I will make the best case I can for ali-scum and if people dont agree I will move on. If i think there are reasons I am wrong I will move on. If something more scummy comes along I will move on. I am not here to play town dictator and force my reads down everyones throats.

[LegoLucy]

For the record,

I

am never wrong about anything.

[Farkran]

Spoiler: before

I don't really like any of ali's takes

cuz ali is scum lol

here is my slap dash Ali case and why e is scum:


Let's look at e's progression on Ydrasse/Pooky:




No reasoning given for liking Ydrasse - pretty sure Ali is reading the part when Ydra comes under attack.




Setting me up for being attacked after Ydrasse flips green



Followup post - tries to set me up for a fight with mena.

2nd part: says either Ydrasse is green and I'm scum pushing her OR Ydrasse is red and e is wrong on Ydrasse - COMPLETELY IGNORING THAT me/ydra could be town/town



This post is out of place.

Why does Ali regret posting? Why does Ali regret getting into the thread?

Think about it, what has Ali done at this point that suddenly Ali regrets?

Ali has set up for Ydra green flip followed by Ali pushing Pooky the day after for being WRONG on ydra.

But at this point Ali has read up to the part where I flip my vote off Ydra so Ali knows e's plan is not going to work as e thinks cuz I'm no longer pushing Ydra.

MASSIVE REGRET AT THIS POINT

ALL OF ALIS PLANS FOILED CUZ POOKY ISNT EVEN PUSHING YDRA ANYMORe

LOOK AT ES SAD FACe

LOOK AT THE REGRET

tsk tsk

so what's E's new plan?



yea let's kill Pooky anyway!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SO ORIGINALLY

YOU WANTED TO KILL ME FOR BEING WRONG ON YDRA AND FLIPPING A GREEN YDRA

BUT NOW SINCE I UNVOTED

YOU WANT TO KILL ME FOR HAVING AN AGENDA

WHAT A JOKE

IN NO FANTASY WORLD IS THAT A LOGICAL THOUGHT PROGRESSION GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD.



TLDR Summary:


Alisae: "Pooky wants to kill ydrasse, lets kill pooky after ydrasse flips green"
Alisae: "Pooky doesn't want to kill ydrasse anymore, i regret posting the above"
Alisae: "Enh fuck it let's kill pooky anyway, he's got an AGENDA"


E is scum, that's not a logical way to think.

Kill with fire thanks.

My early game takes can be bad but Pooky only thinks they’re good because of 1 game. He understands they get better over time so him calling me out is weird. Town!Pooky is probably patient with me cuz he knows if he’s town I should see it eventually.

nah I understand how your town brain thinks and your scum brain thinks and this is absolutely a scum line of play coming from you

Ah see skitter looks a bit better.

Pooky looks at my read and calls me scum
Skitter looks at my reads and doesn’t understand what’s going on but is ok admitting it (I feel the same way about her takes)

I'm not even talking about your reads.

I'm talking about your progression making no sense

the easiest way to defend that case btw was to explain what exactly you regretted and WHY

first thing town you would've done actually - say what you actually regretted instead of the thing that I said you were regretting

because

that's the EASIEST thing for you to refute.

but instead you've resorted to shitposting while randomly throwing stuff at me

sounds to me like you're thinking of something to say and you don't have an actual regret other than what i posted

which means im riiiiiight

:3

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus and it’s too confident for this point in the game.

her progression on me/ydra was:



Ydra is town (no explanation)
->
Pooky is scum because he's trying to kill Ydra who I have as town.
->
I'm ok with flipping Ydra(who i have as town) because it'll show either Pooky is scum or I'm wrong on Ydra
->
(reads the part where I'm no longer pushing Ydra)
->
Let's just kill Pooky anyway.


Do you really not get why that progression is scummy as fuck?

Spoiler: after

Norwee

do you think there's any possibility

that I'm just town and wrong about someone being scum?

Like isn't that pretty much the default scenario for any town player who's pushing early d1 off no info?

the odds mathematically aren't on our side.

So immediately jumping to a SvT dichotomy when we're mostly just probing and reaction testing at this stage with no info

is super shady...

and that's not even a strong case.

I've reconsidered on much stronger cases.

If you do not constantly question if you are wrong on something,

you're just not playing very well.

I sometimes get tunnelled - I am working on getting better at questioning my own beliefs.

Bolded sentence in the post i quoted wasn't referring to something in the past, you specifically said "this stage", "with no info"

Yet just a few pages ago you took your time to build a case against ali including forum screenshots, i mean, that took a significant effort to label it as probing right now

I see a strong discrepancy between what you pushed ali for and how much you *want* to commit to it now

the probing/reaction testing with no info

refers to my initial push on Ydrasse which was not very serious from my PoV.

Alisae jumped to a SvT dichotomy on it and pushed that dichotomy.

I find that scummy.

Building a case with screenshots of like 5 posts is not high effort for me.

When I build serious cases they look much much better.

I don't commit to things early on D1, we are not even 24 hours into the game - I am simply not going to hard commit to anything this early. There's plenty of game left to be played.

I mean eh, ok

I'll be back later

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the context of 719 is not that I am wrong on Alisae.

It's that I am wrong on Ydrasse.

If you look at the posts above it, where Day is talking to Norwee about how the default is TvT but Ali didn't even consider that possibility.

I am telling Norwee hey I could be wrong about Ydra, but why doesnt Alisae even consider this possibility?

His retort asks me well what if you're wrong about Alisae? Have you thought about that?

And my response is Yea sure I can be wrong about Alisae, that's definitely possible.

It would be extremely arrogant for me to state that I am infallible and can never be wrong about something.


My other retorts to you are very simple.

I have fun playing this game.

I am not interested in building a strong case and making everyone sheep me.

If you guys don't like my case, I'll look for other things to do, other bad guys, other scum other cases etc. I am not here to play dictator or town leader or whatever. I'm here to have fun.

If Ali-scum wins in the end because nobody listened to me about Ali-scum on d1 - that's fine. I'll live with it - it's more important that everyone gets involved and has fun.

Life is about more than just winning.

[Menalque]

I wanna hear more from Suji and Menalque.

Whatcha wanna hear?

[Menalque]

I’m really still the only one voting Lucy?

[Menalque]

Norwee did I misread you our last game together or am I imagining things? I think it was a lrge

[Menalque]

Eh VOTE: ali

[LegoLucy]

I’m really still the only one voting Lucy?

Maybe if you share your reasons you can make friends who will please help you. Even if that does not make helper it would good to see your thinkings

I see you have voted the Esteemed Alisae while I was writing

[Menalque]

Because you seem to spend half your time just describing what’s going on or with like the most surface level analysis available, no offence

[Menalque]

Pooky and Ydrasse both don't seem very serious about the game but my feelings feel like Ydrasse is more scared to be serious.

Pooky seems more like a bear than a wolf to me because he is thinking hard about Ydrasse's behaviour

These were 2 particularly egregious examples of the same

[Menalque]

Honestly either of Ali or pooky can die as well, I’m not fussed