Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Prism]

I'm working through all of your bork stuff atm Tammy; for now what are you thinking for other slots? I don't want to detract from your investigation of bork, but it seems like you're pretty exasperated about the slot right now and you can always revisit. I'm really interested in your thoughts on Grey/Cakez/Titus, though the last I've incidentally gleaned a bit of.

The breath of fresh air in the game is thanks to you so I'd like to keep it going and make the most of it while we can.

[Prism]

I'm undecided on GreyICE, I didn't really like GI's posts yesterday or his vote on Titus today, but something about his aggressive interaction with you made me want to town read him. He shares a similar spot in my mind as LLD, they are players who act pretty much the same as either alignment and are a headache for me to sort. The only caveat with that is I feel like GreyICE as scum does a little more appeasing and cares more about how he's perceived by the masses, and his attacks against you don't seem like a great move for scum!GI in terms of maintaining a positive public opinion. (Note: This could be a completely incorrect characterization of how GI plays as scum, it's been a hot minute since I've played with him)

I specifically liked the post where he talked about only needing on scum lim per Day; that mastina was the Day 1 scum lim and he's looking for the Day 2 scum lim, it had an undertone of cockiness that I've come to recognize in his Town game.

I thought that post of Grey's was pretty good; the issue to me is that the change of tact and softer side came when I held the line and didn't budge. I wouldn't call the interactions yesterday super AI as a whole either, and he's someone I'm really struggling to get a solid grasp of. Part of this is that it's really tough to get a handle on both how legitimate the misinterpretations, like on my question about me/mastina, or him pushing Titus for having "reread searching for herself in mastina's ISO" are to begin with, before even getting into the question of malice.

[borkjerfkin]

But actually gonna stop here. Interacting with you in the first place was a mistake.

Actually I don't want to leave this alone w/o saying:

I don't want to walk on eggshells around you either. This particular instance was us getting our wires crossed.
But like I might egregiously mischaracterize something you do legitimately later
and I don't want the answer to be for you to avoid me.
I respect you a ton as a player and a person but I'd appreciate some attempt to work through that rather than shut me down (and honestly I feel awful about this interaction now and I don't feel like anything I said there should've led to this)

[Tammy]

I haven't read every post either, but getting pissy at me asking you what you think about a post someone made AND let's not mistake something here buddy,

like i apologize - that segment was to prism, not you

=/

I'm sorry, i'm apparently in a bitchier mood than I realized.

The rest of the post was to me so I thought that was too, and I got hot that you said I mischaracterized you while doing it in turn to me, and getting angry at me for something I didn't say and a position I didn't hold.

I'm sorry.

[Spiffeh]

Is it bad that I want to townread Dunnstral not giving an ounce of a shit about this game or my tunnel on him?

Not enough to drop my scum read on him, but enough to just throw my hands up in frustration and leave him alone today

[borkjerfkin]

That is understandable, so can you elaborate on why DGB occupies such a low spot in your reads list given the content it has provided so far?

acknowledging this post, yeah.

[Tammy]

But actually gonna stop here. Interacting with you in the first place was a mistake.

Actually I don't want to leave this alone w/o saying:

I don't want to walk on eggshells around you either. This particular instance was us getting our wires crossed.
But like I might egregiously mischaracterize something you do legitimately later
and I don't want the answer to be for you to avoid me.
I respect you a ton as a player and a person but I'd appreciate some attempt to work through that rather than shut me down (and honestly I feel awful about this interaction now and I don't feel like anything I said there should've led to this)

I wasn't shutting you down. I'm cooking dinner, but you didn't. Our wires got crossed and I thought you were trying to insinuate something you weren't.

I'm sorry I was bitchy. I respect you as a player and as a person too, and I really really want us to be able to realize it if we're both town.

[borkjerfkin]

Thanks tammy.

[Tammy]

Prism - I'm planning to work on reading this week after I eat dinner, so hopefully I'll have more thoughts in a bit.

[Spiffeh]

I acknowledge bork's recent effort and I see that he's going to elaborate on the DGB read, but at this point I am satisfied with my vote on him.

The fact that Tammy, Bell, Cakez, even Pooky somewhat have indicated they are seeing what I am seeing encourages me.

DGB is probably the only other place I'd compromise otherwise.

[borkjerfkin]

tammy also has moved up like 70 tiers in my reads after this interaction

[Prism]

Right now where I'm at is:

The townest of them all: Bell

Super fucking town: LLD, Pooky, Spiffeh

I want to strong townread these people for all game and what just happened but I'm scared: Tammy, bork

Logically kinda town but idk: Battle_Mage

WILLING TO ELIM LINE

Intuitively town but ??? fuck I don't know: Cakez, Dunnstral, MathBlade

Literally only town for mastina: Titus

Scum: GreyICE, DGB

[Titus]

I'm not catching up, as I don't have time to play that way. I'm going to look at the VCs instead. Tomorrow may be better for a catchup but I may just play from wherever I can. Don't be surprised if I miss some content.

[borkjerfkin]

Actually I'm changing my mind again on Titus

I feel like DGB entered the game w/ the desire of voting Titus

And did it by way of going

"I think Mathblade is town" (not substantiated, which isn't bad in and of itself, but for a sheep vote it'd be interesting why someone goes there and not to like LLD who is town for a lot more of an objective reason to leash a vote to)
"Math, do you want to vote <person Math obviously doesn't want to vote>"
"No? I want Titus <where my vote is>"
"Oh of course, Titus, I see now"

VOTE: DGB

I think Titus is necessarily town with this scumflip too

[Prism]

Titus, there is only so long I can defend you.

I understand that you're struggling to find time to play, and that even when you do have time motivation is an issue.

But you need to supplement your VCA with thoughtful reads. If you can't do it today, okay, but if you're going to do it never eliminating you is not a question of if but when. That doesn't mean you have to come back and townread the right people, if you come back and say "The team is Prism Bell LLD" then as long as you can defend it that's fine with me. This is a team game and we make up for each other's weaknesses as we go, but I have gone very, very far out of my way to protect you in a way that is becoming increasingly indefensible without more thoughtful reads on your part.

[Dunnstral]

Not sure why you'd think I'd be bussing over me being town then

I'm not saying that - you came in with "What do you think my reads are". Why did you ask me that if not to imply I should be townreading you for it?

To put it bluntly, yes, you should at least not be scumreading me when we have similar reads on the rest of the players

[borkjerfkin]

To put it bluntly, yes, you should at least not be scumreading me when we have similar reads on the rest of the players

this is just not the way I play and I'd just discount that as a reason to read me either way

[borkjerfkin]

see: that ffery modded game where f16 and I went for like 30 pages about this exact thing that I don't feel like linking

[Prism]

Actually I'm changing my mind again on Titus

I feel like DGB entered the game w/ the desire of voting Titus

And did it by way of going

"I think Mathblade is town" (not substantiated, which isn't bad in and of itself, but for a sheep vote it'd be interesting why someone goes there and not to like LLD who is town for a lot more of an objective reason to leash a vote to)
"Math, do you want to vote "
"No? I want Titus "
"Oh of course, Titus, I see now"

VOTE: DGB

I think Titus is necessarily town with this scumflip too

Can you give a bit more background as to how you thought of this/what led you to look back at DGB right this moment?

[borkjerfkin]

I was the Morrigan which was fucking metal though

[borkjerfkin]

Can you give a bit more background as to how you thought of this/what led you to look back at DGB right this moment?

spffeh wanted me to review DGB was the impetus for the reread

[Prism]

Right, thanks & sorry, my ass is working through like 10 tabs

[borkjerfkin]

How I thought of it was that I thought it was odd that DGB went right to Mathblade as a rock entering the game and wondered why that might be

[DrippingGoofball]

Prism's post warmed my heart so much that it has inspired me to make an effort and read the game.

I was going to get around to it tonight, but what should have been a 10 minute phone call turned into an hour and a half, and I'm tired now.

[DrippingGoofball]

How I thought of it was that I thought it was odd that DGB went right to Mathblade as a rock entering the game and wondered why that might be

His tone is pretty obv town, why wouldn't I?