Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

Is there anything I should concentrate on with my read of the game? Anything I should look at in particular?

[Titus]

Afternoon Vote Count 1.14

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (2): Battle Mage, Bell
Titus (6): sangres, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (3): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus
mastina (1): GreyICE

Not voting (3): Tammy, Prism, Kitty Trauma Team


Mod notes: 67/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

I like GreyICE as town based on him being the first on mastina. It's a weaker read but very good for today. I like Dunn as well for town based on being a counter to mastina yet voting next to her. Both individually suggest town. Together would make me shocked if Dunn flipped scum.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.15

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (1): Battle Mage
Titus (5): SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (4): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism

Not voting (1): Tammy


Mod notes: 69/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Prodding GreyICE

Here suggests an ineffective scumteam unless the votes change dramatically in the next VC. I see zero movement onto my slot and only movement to mastina. Bell and Prism are in the most frequent bus spots but are pretty town by play. My theory should bear fruit in later VCs.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.16

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (3): quiet, MathBlade, SirCakez
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (6): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism, Battle Mage, Spiffeh

Not voting (1): Tammy


Mod notes: 74/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Battle Mage had been sitting on a Math vote for quite some time (his VLA might be a small part). He's largely lifeless though but casts a vote on mastina. This suggests a bus vote to me.

Mathblade and SirCakez both move to Dunn rather than staying on the larger counterwagon (me), effectively killing it. While they moved to vote likely town instead of scum, killing a counterwagon on town gives townpoints.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.16b

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (6): quiet, MathBlade, SirCakez, Battle Mage, Spiffeh, Titus
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (3): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (4): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism

Not voting (1): Tammy


Mod notes: 76/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Battle Mage backs off his mastina vote when a counterwagon on Cakez appears. Major scumpoints.

He gives momentum for the Dunn wagon and I specifically recall him asking me to join.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.17

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (4): quiet, MathBlade, SirCakez, Spiffeh
Titus (1): borkjerfkin
SirCakez (6): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus
mastina (5): GreyICE, sangres, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy
Mathblade (1): Bell

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 77/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Battle Mage jumps back to mastina here. LLD and Pooky jump to SirCakez. Pooky's vote is the only one that makes sense as a chance to save SirCakez that could be scum here.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.18

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (3): quiet, SirCakez, Spiffeh
Titus (1): borkjerfkin
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (5): GreyICE, sangres, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy
Mathblade (1): Bell

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 79/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

I don't think Math is scum, despite his proscum vote here. He's flagging as the townbeard all the way.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.19

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (7): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell
Mathblade (1): Sangres

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 81/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening
LLD is V/LA.

Positive looks for Bork and Bell in context here, assuming Cakez is town. They could have easily sat back and let SirCakez happen.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.20

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (7): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell
Mathblade (1): Sangres

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 83/85 pages used (switching to post count here: 2078/2125 posts)

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening
LLD is V/LA.

Final Afternoon Vote Count

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (1): quiet
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (9--BRONZED): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell, Sangres, Spiffeh

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 83/85 pages used (switching to post count here: 2080/2125 posts)

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening
LLD is V/LA.

Flip incoming

Townpoints for Spiffeh as well here but weaker. He could have been forced scum hammer but that's unlikely.

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Conclusion: DGB and Battle Mage are confident scumreads. Pooky is a scumlean.

[borkjerfkin]

How I thought of it was that I thought it was odd that DGB went right to Mathblade as a rock entering the game and wondered why that might be

His tone is pretty obv town, why wouldn't I?

i think he is town so i don't think this line of questioning is particularly interesting:

is he the easiest to read person in the game?
why'd pooky come up?
how do you feel about titus independently of math?

[DrippingGoofball]

I find mathBlade easy to read, yes.
I think Titus is town. A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.
What about Pooky?

[Titus]

Titus, there is only so long I can defend you.

I understand that you're struggling to find time to play, and that even when you do have time motivation is an issue.

But you need to supplement your VCA with thoughtful reads. If you can't do it today, okay, but if you're going to do it never eliminating you is not a question of if but when. That doesn't mean you have to come back and townread the right people, if you come back and say "The team is Prism Bell LLD" then as long as you can defend it that's fine with me. This is a team game and we make up for each other's weaknesses as we go, but I have gone very, very far out of my way to protect you in a way that is becoming increasingly indefensible without more thoughtful reads on your part.

I appreciate this and I will make a reads based priority list this weekend. Maybe tomorrow but I may be drained and stuck contributing my way. Just know even if I fail, your request was heard.

It's very hard to separate my reads by play from my VCA as my VCA colors my reads.

[Prism]

And on the 10th of March, 2021, Titus corrected course and delivered, holy shit. Still want more but good, good stuff.

[Titus]

A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

What's horrible about it? You seem intent to come in and criticize me (discredit if in a negative mood). Do you disagree with my conclusion on Battle Mage? It's even fueled with some in thread events.

[borkjerfkin]

UNVOTE:

I think Titus is town. A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

I'm just not sure dgb makes this post as scum knowing that's where her vote is or instead maybe unvoting or i don't fucking know but this isn't it

help

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I think Titus is town. A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

I'm just not sure dgb makes this post as scum knowing that's where her vote is or instead maybe unvoting or i don't fucking know but this isn't it

help

I think that post shows DGB's agenda. She doesn't care about sorting me, she cares about discrediting me.

P.S. We had our issues but you're town for the day based on my VCA.

[borkjerfkin]

A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

this isn't a bad point from titus actually

you seem to have done analysis on this but are kinda just blowing past that to a conclusion

[borkjerfkin]

town for the day based on my VCA.

the lord giveth, the lord taketh away

[borkjerfkin]

Anything I should look at in particular?

thoughts on:
Titus
Cakez
Dunn
BM
Pooky
Spiffeh

is what I'd like to see atm.

[Titus]

I was looking at BM's ISO to where he tried to persuade me to vote Dunn but that was Spiffeh. My memory was wrong.

However, BM did ask Cakez for an exit hatch on voting mastina in his ISO.

[Prism]

I just want to note my hero solve here is GreyICE, DGB, B_M and I strongly doubt it's right but I want it on paper.

[Titus]

I just want to note my hero solve here is GreyICE, DGB, B_M and I strongly doubt it's right but I want it on paper.

We can work together on DGB and BM.

[Prism]

B_M isn't on my list today and I'm gonna give DGB a little bit of breathing room so as not to frustrate her, I think it won't make a difference if she's scum but will go a long way if she's town. Very likely I vote here later, just want to strongly encourage applying mechanical pressure to Grey.

[Prism]

If you're curious for more of my thinking on BM:

So the main reason I've wanted to revisit BM has been because of his brief swapoff from mastina, and he was in that nice wagon grey area where scum have to choose to get on/off since mastina was in real danger.

Also like BM's recent posts.

even Battle Mage's more recent posts make me feel better about him.

Why?

Battle Mage's recent posts have been "nice". He's been acting nice to players, working with them, acting as a mediator, being a team player, calling fights TvT, and generally being moderate: not committing to anything hard, saying preferences and stances but without passion and conviction behind them.

Does any of this jive with your experience of BM as town?

Because it flies in the face of the abrasive BM that I know, while being a perfect fit for the Battle Mage I've seen as scum pull this exact strategy to get some cheap towncred.

thanks for being so kind to me. funny enough i dont get a lot of personal joy out of being shitted on every fking game - me staying out of the aggro isn't AI, it's because it's stressful and doesn't make games enjoyable.

personal feeling aside - you know this is a gross take.

VOTE: mastina

that's my final move.

This is an extremely good post. Someone is outplaying me for sure, and it might be Battle_Mage, but reading this slot I don't see any clear reason to scumread it beyond the timing of the vote. Everything else feels town to me, progressions on Dunn, Cakez, etc. pretty clear. I guess other candidate would be thirsting for the artifact while being a much more null slot and joining the Pooky/Dunn wagons but both were fine imo. I guess his ambivalence on Grey too? All of these are question marks because they're reaches imo. I did some limited meta since I found his style a lot less logical in Xenoblade and a lot more pointed in Primroses, 2021 games seem to be a lot crisper as town in the same way as this one.

The thing about the timing of the vote that bothered me was that it was vote 5 on mastina. But the alternative, who B_M was on, was Dunn at 6. Really dumb vote swap as scum imo.

I do think it's worth it for Battle_Mage to go over his current thoughts on Math, that's really the only fuzzy part of his progression to me.

[MathBlade]

(I like the developments and town blocks and questions happening elsewhere. I disagree with the reads and really think we should be focusing on the Cakez wagon. Will comment more later when not exhausted from coding. There’s just one thing I want to comment on first.)

@Titus Regarding 2801 It feels like you have defaulted Dunn’s and SirCakez’s alignment. Can you please do your VCA if SirCakez is scum and/or Dunn is? It feels like you’ve put a lot of assumptions in it that I disagree with.

[MathBlade]

I just want to note my hero solve here is GreyICE, DGB, B_M and I strongly doubt it's right but I want it on paper.

@Prism >> This solve involves an all town wagon on Cakez and Cakez town. Can you go into how/why you think that could have happened?

[MathBlade]

And on the 10th of March, 2021, Titus corrected course and delivered, holy shit. Still want more but good, good stuff.

I disagree here. I do not find this town!Titus at all. There’s still the same assumptions that I have asked her several times to think about and feels like she’s made up her mind before she types it.

[Tammy]

I’m starting to feel tired, so I might not make it that far tonight, but I’m going to try to at least make it through Mastina iso and end of day to review how the wagons shook out. I hurt my ankle, nothing big just a strained Achilles’ tendon, which means a couple things I had planned for tomorrow are cancelled, so I’ll have more time than I otherwise would to get caught up there and today.

Decent chance I fall asleep while read Mastina though, so if I don’t post again I passed out lol

[Prism]

Giant wall for Tammy, my responses are in red.

Spoiler: Regarding bork

Prism - I do owe you my thoughts on Bork though before I get started.

I don't know what to think of bork right now. I'm not leaving this game day with a townread, and that's extremely disturbing.

I'll be around more after my class is over, but did this happen to start when i said that your post could come from scum? Because this is the first I've heard of that kind of sentiment from you.

Like I'm sorry but wagon movement has been extremely weird in the latter half of this day and a town flip on mastina here, especially if Titus flips scum later on in the game, puts that under scrutiny for me.

Explain to me why that's unreasonable.

So initially this read really skeevy to me because the "oh do you not have a townread on me because x" just felt so off. It didn't feel right because Bork has felt off and oddly kinda angry all game and not town, so it felt like the kind of deflecting emotional manipulation he did to ffery in Illicit Substances.

Why it feels off are things like this:

If I'm reading things correctly, the post where he suggests sangres vote could come from scum was this one:

If you're talking about the recent votes on mastina, who specifically are you spooked by on that wagon?

Honestly? Everyone except Bell and Battle Mage because they weren't interested in Titus to begin with:

any of
Sangres 1716
Prism 1725
your 1831

Feel to me like they could possibly be stay-off-my-buddy votes just because none of them have any real "I've changed my mind about Titus" to them, and if mastina flips green there basically has to be scum in there

Which came after this:

The only thing its done really is made it slightly harder to read Tammy and KTT.

Are you referring to the post restriction? And if you read me as scum after we claimed IC, I don't think you have a handle on what town me looks like, don't think you'd be able to tell in more posts, and I'm not going to go all scary-face to get you to read me correctly. But if you are referring to the post restriction. The only thing that the post restriction has done is had me put together posts into one that I wouldn't normally bother with. I'd still have not been around much this week because I was busy with work stuff.

~~~

Ffery - I think maybe I understand where you got your original thought? When I mentioned not having you as town to town paean level, it was just a reference of my strength of read. In Tenet, when you made the town paean post, I knew you were town. I got paranoid here and there even after we died when I was somewhat keeping up in case we came back, but I always came back to that post as my tether for me just knowing you were town. So, when I referenced that it just meant that my strength of read was not what it was in Tenet, and I wouldn't want what pushed you to that reaction for me to have that kind of safety in a read.

I just wouldn't bet the game on any of my reads right this moment.

How do you feel about bork?

pedit: that's a total mood. Also don't bet on nacho right this minute. He wanted to "take a nap" a few hours ago because he's got a weird schedule tomorrow and I tried to wake him up from said nap and his response was something like why fight the inevitable or some shit like that. He'll probably do something stupid like wake up at 3 am and totally fuck himself over for work, so maybe you hear from him then.

I had this moment earlier today where I asked myself if there's an unequivocally town post in bork's iso to hold onto and pin down this cloud of a read I have right now, and I felt like maybe there isn't. And then he made a post that was a new thought -- a new question that nobody else had asked and I hadn't thought to ask myself and I thought "there he is! and oh look, he's asking a trajectory^tm question!"

And then Math came in and dumped on it and used it to chain bork and Titus together (with Prism?) and to push the idea of bork and mastina as partners apart.

Like there's not a world where bork just noticed the discrepancy and questioned Mastina.

Anyway, bork still worries me a little. He feels distant, maybe preoccupied.

And yeah, that is a mood. I feel like I've been in too much of a holding pattern, when I should just play onward and sync if and when.

Bell's made some decent points and my read's grown shakier over time, not stronger.

So the Bork suspicion did not come out of nowhere. In fact, sangres had never really expressed a town read on Bork other than liking the post in which he said that they didn't have to worry about him that game and kinda townreading it.

So it felt like a way to jump at her to push her a bit off her footing without recognizing that she'd already been wondering about him.

This felt extremely town to me at the time, and on most rereads. I can see a world where bork is trying to fish out where he's going wrong, but bork had previously been pretty annoyed by several ~not ideal~ suggestions by sangres beforehand, such as in 1088 and with the voteswaps around mastina. The disappointment and demand line up well with someone who has high expectations of both players in the sangres slot.

A few days ago I was thinking about this again, and I started to doubt the above a little bit. Years ago Bork and I hydrad in a game where ffery and nacho hydrad, and while ffery was always iffy about me nacho read me very well and both of them read Bork very well. But in this game, both of them were concerned about us even though we were both being very town throughout the game. And both of us were very freaked out about their question marks on us, and it caused us to have some suspicion on them for positionality reasons and there was some friction.

So when I remembered that, I'm not completely sure that his reaction wouldn't have been similar if he were town too, and I'm not sure what to do with my original reaction to his response to ffery.

Spoilering that because this post is too big as it is, but a couple things read off. I don't like deflection onto me in his spiffeh thing before this post which he's done more than once now. It didn't feel like a search for selective scumhunting, which would make sense sort of, but more of a deflection that feels scummy. I don't really get his anger over the concern that sangres showed suspicion on bork and now they're dead so hmm, and really don't understand the angry "I crumbed I was visiting them" as if we're supposed to know that bit.

The prior sentence confuses me because both are extremely understandable things to be frustrated about, not that people should know it but that bork

softed visiting sangres, wanted to visit them, wanted to townblock, felt bad about being wrong on the mastina wagon, only to have them die instead

. To be blunt, the sangres visit claim is absolutely brilliant as scum.

I just reread through his iso and I don't even see it knowing it's supposed to be here.

That said I would like to see the specific soft too LMAO

I mean yeah, it's annoying when you're town and people accuse you of this. I expected to get it myself once I saw that sangres was dead because nacho was there and most people don't understand nacho and my goals with each other concerning mafia. Think that Bork isn't really understanding where and why ffery did get concerned about me and that she ultimately was fine so it's weird that Bork deflected there and acting like it's the same. Beyond that I'd really appreciate his spiffeh thoughts that weren't just so centered around spiffeh's thoughts on bork.

I guess you kind of get it here but I just...don't really see the same scum intent here that you do, honestly. I reviewed the deflection about you to Spiffeh. I can

see

why he'd say it as scum, but I see the town bork world too, and I don't think he's seriously pushing you?

I'm going to make that last sentence and immediately be a hypocrite because I hate his entire paragraph about me. The nothing concrete thing is full of cringe because that's often the way that scum talk about me and my posts. I'm not playing really any differently than I've played the past few games, and he was reading us in tenet based on my posts before we claimed IC, and his paranoia on us there felt more free flowing and organic. And the way that he got his initial read on me felt really really natural in tenet. I'm missing that there. I just read over my iso to see if this, and his earlier post, was a fair interpretation of my posts, and I don't think it is. I've made a few posts about my approach, not a lot. My claim wasn't really unprompted, I initially thought Cakez and I couldn't exist together but my sense of balance sucks so I thought I'd put it out there for people more adept than me to judge. I don't know it feels a bit off and my place on his list feels positional even thought I don't really have a problem with where I am in his list. I don't know if that makes sense.

I think what you're missing is that you've been very demonstrative as to your

process

, such as in the "all mixed up" post and in 1087, but the result is more often than not ambivalence. For the most part, I'm the only one you've really gone to bat for, which is great, but Bork-and I-both really want to see you go to bat on other slots and take stronger stances (Not that you have to fake them, but that this is the missing link for me, and I suspect for bork too)

I don't like some of his focus on mathblade. He's acting like people can't be irritated with the mathblade interaction issue, which weirdly makes me feel like he's not town trying to actually read people and the game through this. I feel like if he were town he'd understand the frustration a bit more. The focus later on mathblade being town so the wagon shouldn't be there feels like an easy thing to pop in and plunk down about. We're not bronzing mathblade, we all know we're not actually bronzing mathblade no matter how we want to policy here and there, so it feels like just something easy to pop in for.

I, and several other players, have actively pitched just going "fuck it mathblade ig" and while this might be free for borkscum, him telling us to stop being morons 100% makes sense imo

BUT through all that, our poe isn't all that terribly different, which makes me wonder if we are not understanding each other this game. I would not have pooky or greyice as high as he has them as confidently as he does. And I'm not as confident that Titus is scum as he is but I definitely had some issues with her day one. If I could muster the ability to do a reads list though it wouldn't be so completely different that there's no way we're looking at the same game.

So, I've come down to not really knowing what to do with this read.

You also seem to think bork's ISO is mostly focused on Titus. While he scumreads her Day 1, he absolutely does not spend all day on her, noticeably calls out mastina at great times, and had a great point on Cakez that I 100% agreed with in that his "inb4 I get eliminated for flavor" rang EXTREMELY legitimate. He doesn't capitalize on your claim, he once again makes mastina viable when she's almost out of the woods via Bell/sangres unvotes, Posts like 1012 and 1309 are great.

Overall, I think you are town but I am very concerned about your slot for some of the reasons regarding ambivalence/not going to bat against others, your posturing towards a potential Cakez switch, and a bit about the spat today. You are 100% not above playing hurt to engineer townreads, and the attitude around bork right now is vaguely familiar. I've also had the fear Day 1 that you leaned into the meta discussion about me because you thought it was a good way to get a townread, rather than actively holding onto it to get a stronger read on me. You were 100% spot on that I don't take the mechanical claim risk as scum, and that goes such a long way that I'm willing to just give you a pass on your interactions with my slot in general, but the sangres read definitely did not line up with your earlier perception of me. Lastly, this is a bit of a reach but:

IDK if you missed it Tammy but the reason sangres was killed is because they had successfully linked up with MathBlade, scum couldn't risk it and it is primarily thanks to MathBlade that we voted scum Day 1 and are in a good position today Day 2.

I am sure it had a lot less to do with sangres being obvious town all day, townblocking with you, me, and a few others, and successfully hammering the scum despite vocal opposition.

I do remember now that when I checked in and voted Mastina it was because I was sheeping

you, Sangres and bell

mathblade, thanks for setting me straight!

It's very unclear how much this matches up to reality.

[Bell]

Is there anything I should concentrate on with my read of the game? Anything I should look at in particular?

Mastina's posts and how people reacted to her.

[Bell]

(As a reminder: for the rest of the month I am V/LA every Friday/Saturday. In this case, I've still got ~10 hours of work that has piled up since Friday that I've been unable to finish and my intention is to get into the mafia games I wasn't already playing once I get through that circa 10 hours, which should be either Sunday or Monday, so in effect, I am V/LA until Monday.)

we don't care

Greetings, Gentlebeings!

VOTE: Spiffeh

Hi!

Town.

I'm so excited to not care what any of you think about me

Town?

Will be back in like 5+ hours please don’t spam the thread people.

Scum?

VOTE: Prism

VOTE: spiffeh

Scum.

page count limit is a genius move, but I don't really share the level of concern from Mathblade - 85 pages is MORE than enough for Day 1 in any game. also what is post 8?

Battle Mage.



VOTE: SirCakez

Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

I think Prism is scum btw

Town. <3

I have a question. Anyone have any idea how we bronze scum? If artifacts are good to pass to town, then what's stopping scum from just bronzing whoever gets the artifact and we get screwed?

Town?

Math are you also scum lol

LLD's probably gonna be furious when she sees I agree with at least two of her initial scumreads.

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

Math, Mastina, Cakez.
Titus.
Bork, Kittens,
Tammy. Quest
Paranoia read: Prism.
GrayIce, Pooky.
Dunstrall
Sangres, Spiffeh, BM, LLD, Bell.

Good night.

I think Spiffeh town BM scum Prism null LLD scum lean Cakez is prob town but scum in a very minor circumstance so not considering it. If I am right then Titus is town by proxy.

Scummy reads

Scratch the scunread, Dunn's town.

quiet is aggressively ambivalent (which is to say, one post rapidly swaying from definitely-scum and definitely-town, hard to lock down as one of those and not the other).

Got exactly one thing that I don't expect to have, yes, although no indication where I got it from. Are you the character pictured w/ that item if I look it up on the wiki? If so it's adorable you picked me considering my own flavor

Town.

Lady Lambdadelta
Dunnstral
Bell
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
borkjerfkin
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
GreyICE
quiet


MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown townread null scumread scum.

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

It’s just weird Mastina and LLD (whose clearly NOT a mason ) agree on reads.

And the reads are garbage.

Cakez townslipped after I scumread him
Prism is probably scum but that’s either having to put a scumread there or buddying my scumread there
Literally no one agrees with my prism read. They think I am ridiculous.

So I find it weird Mastina’s reads match mine about almost midpoint through the morning but yet I am scum.

That doesn’t sit right.

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

152 was also my first post of the game, by the way

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

152 was also my first post of the game, by the way

Hey Dunn, I think we’re both being set up here.

Can you do a read wall and I just vote the person lowest on your wall I agree with?

Kinda thinking Mastina Titus?

Just gonna reset all my reads

i'm townreading too many people

Honestly this is a game going to be won by townreads and mutual townblocs being formed, so this is not a problem.

I find Pooky's reaction anti-associative.
I find Mathblade and Dunnstrall's responses less clear. As being distancing/cribbing off of Pooky's paranoia.
I immediately posted a similar reads list to Mastina right after she did because I wanted to push her down.

[Prism]

I just want to note my hero solve here is GreyICE, DGB, B_M and I strongly doubt it's right but I want it on paper.

@Prism >> This solve involves an all town wagon on Cakez and Cakez town. Can you go into how/why you think that could have happened?

GreyICE votes early expecting it to go nowhere, quiet literally wasn't even around, BM makes a bad decision to voteswap. I can 100% see the first two it's more the third that's an issue and I think better candidates might be Dunn/you/Tammy for 3rd. I don't know why I so strongly just refuse to see Cakez as scum.

And on the 10th of March, 2021, Titus corrected course and delivered, holy shit. Still want more but good, good stuff.

I disagree here. I do not find this town!Titus at all. There’s still the same assumptions that I have asked her several times to think about and feels like she’s made up her mind before she types it.

I liked it because the conclusions were better than bork/Bell imo but definitely need more.

Probably going to call it a night, have been reading the game for eons tonight and need to actually do something else with my life, but I'm really happy to have the game open and fresh again.