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[Cephrir]

i can't wait to lose this game when titus yeets my obvtown ass in elo because bussing isn't possible.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: winter flakes

[Hopkirk]

*shrug*

Could be scum. Ceph has made good points about WF. Still think it's Hop tho and that's just a safe as shit fakeclaim. Just consider that - even though I'm conceding I need to eat a yeet - if I was in this position as scum why don't I just concede overnight? If I'm last scum game is lost. But that's a ton of WIFOM. But Hop's leap to try and get that wagon done as fast as possible today should speak for itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Eat at Arby's.

still working backwards

[jjh927]

I mean, who in the game has at any point been targeted by the vanilla cop

Not specifically last night

[Ythan]

I mean, who in the game has at any point been targeted by the vanilla cop

Not specifically last night

Not me.

[jjh927]

Hmm okay

[jjh927]

actually on reflection I should just trash this line of reasoning, we're all good

[jjh927]

I thought there was a chance your whole VT claiming stuff in response to A50 gambiting at you might have been because you were checked by an announcing vanilla cop. . . but if it was then I'm pretty sure you'd have mentioned that as a reason it was clearly a gambit, so you're all good

[Cephrir]

I mean, who in the game has at any point been targeted by the vanilla cop

Not specifically last night

I still want to know this.

[Winter Flakes]

elim me and then agar and it's probably ggs

i'm really sorry for my lackluster performance i just havne't had the motivation in between other stuff going on irl

[Cephrir]

Dang it suspects stop making me think you're town by giving up

[implosion]

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Vote Count 5.2

AGar

(2): mastina, Hopkirk

Winter Flakes

(1): Cephrir

Not Voting

(5): AGar, Winter Flakes, jjh927, Ythan, Titus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for midnight PST on March 30, in (expired on 2021-03-30 03:00:00).

[mastina]

i think it's just winterflakes, honestly

Just before daystart I actually did some isos, and they are part of the reason I so strongly prefer AGar.

hercule are you trying to shade me by saying im not obvtowning rn or something? my early game was rigid af last game so I dont get the comparison

Hercule seems a bit showy this game in terms of I guess id say trying to townpost and the approach to me seemed like an attempt to shade even tho my playstyle last early game was also definitely not obvtowny so that was a weird to me

haven't really determined if the "showy" thing is town or scum indicative since I think it can come from either quite easily so ye. id probably say that's a slight early SL of mine overall

the worst (not the alt of "the best") is playing how i expect town him to so he's a prob town guy but I also don't know if id be capable of scumreading him early game anyway given his style so eh?

can you expand on this? I'm curious how you got this from what little he's actually done
I liked his progression on me but I think he knows me well enough that it wasn't super alignment indicative

the thing is i actually haven't seen him play scum game, but i've seen him play quite a few town games, so im kinda predisposed to townreading him

but i will say upon rereading that i might actually disagree with my original take (not sure how much to value this given there isn't a whole heap of content from him yet) based on how he's being a little snipey and the whole "i feel like this interaction was not a valuable use of my time" which seems a little uhh... lowkey LAMISTy I guess? more so than what i'd expect from him? like on reevaluation of his ISO after you asked this i'm actually stuck between reading his tone (which is relatively good imo) and his questioning (which seems a bit P E R F O R M A T I V E and not like they're really going anywhere)

yknow what
imma do it
imma hit him with it for the first time i think ever? i think i SR the duck
VOTE: The Worst

@Dann
what dont you like about my TW vote?

Hey TW how do you feel that I'm voting you

@Oka
I've kept up with the game pretty well for the most part
Lack of engagement is mostly down to the fact that I do most of my reading after midnight because ya boy been having some pretty busy days
also the whole lld/herc thing has been t/t to me and i still haven't really figured out how i feel about dgb yet
i like mastina's PoE for the most part

i will say about TW is i would've expected him to take the initiative on interacting with me given i was voting him and i feel like town!him would've had his interest piqued by me having a vote on him
i legitimately think it's >rand scum that he didn't acknowledge it

not that in particular
more the fact that he didn't bring it up at all given our history
like not even making a joke about it
it could also just be being busy yeah but i was expecting *something*
especially considering the votes have been on him for like... 4+ days now and haven't been moved

Hey Dann
You said my vote on TW was bad ages ago
Not much has changed outside of the fact he's back from VLA now and you're voting him
what's up with that

VOTE: luca
the spirit of dann flows through me

(I feel some context there is necessary: at the time of this Luca vote, the only other vote there was Bell. It's certainly

possible

that two scum decided to bus Luca early but not likely imo.)

This, aside from what felt like incredibly good, albeit ultimately wrong, of a progression on hercule on D1 and the progression into the tw scumread.

It's not impossible to be scum; I'm not quoting the aspects that were the most-possibly-scumbuddy-signally; I'm explicitly quoting the aspects that are least-possibly-scumbuddy-signally in that overwhelmingly I feel that Winter Flakes is a poorer fit.

(I should also quote the dead scum's isos to show it even better but this'll have to do for now.)

[mastina]

Eat at Arby's.

Also AGar has pretty much given up and has plainly done so since the Bell elimination in a way that looks particularly like scum. It was there yesterday with his play then and is stronger today.

[jjh927]

VOTE: Agar

[AGar]

Eat at Arby's.

Also AGar has pretty much given up and has plainly done so since the Bell elimination in a way that looks particularly like scum. It was there yesterday with his play then and is stronger today.

Imagine spending over a decade playing this game and being this bad at reasoning.


Eat at Arby's.

[Titus]

VOTE: Agar

[AGar]

Whatever. Yeet Hop tomorrow or, alternatively, just throw the game for town.

Eat at Arby's.

[Cephrir]

i would like to get a clear answer from everyone on whether they were targeted by the vanilla cop, particularly last night.

i don't really think checking a50 last night makes sense.

[Winter Flakes]

lowkey not sure it's agar based solely on the fact that he's picked hop to push instead of me lmao

[AGar]

I was never targeted by any announcing role.

Eat at Arby's.

[Hopkirk]

Wasn't targeted by a vanilla cop
the game feels solved

[AGar]

"This game feels solved" repeats town who has not, in fact, solved game.

Eat at Arby's.

[mastina]

Have Said Or Done Something Towny

innocentvillager
Agar
Dunnstral

Have Not Said Or Done Something Towny

Winter Flakes

AGar -

also GTH town. hasn't added a lot of content but I remember thinking 292 felt like genuine frustration that bubbled up after game 2 started feeling similar to game 1 for them. obvi need to see more

Winter Flakes -

town pretty sure. love their approach to my slot to be honest. looks careful and considered. also his read on the worst. i'm a sucker for reads developing over time with the logic for it expressed in the thread. maybe this is the obvtowning i was told about

Towny

Winter Flakes

Feel Like They're Town

innocentvillager
Agar
Jjh

(For the record, Rule of Three would implicate AGar here.)

Right now I believe the following players are Town:
IV
Mastina
Ceph
Poka
A50
AGar

Town:

Mastina, IV, Agar, A50, Poka, Dunnstral, Xtoxm, Ceph

PoE:

Bell, Titus, Ythan, Hopkirk, Winter Flakes, jjh

@Poka:

you leaned town on Agar earlier, but now you're willing to bet the game on him being Town. Explain this progression, please.

So you think scum never move from one town wagon to another unless absolutely necessary? That seems really weak to me. also:

im willing to bet the game on
me, dunn, agar, ceph, iv, xtoxm,

maybe ythan

all being town here. that's 7. we have 15 people alive, i think if i find like 1 or 2 more townies then i dont really care about who we eliminate as long as we just cull from the bottom

You had already townbinned Agar here, when you weren't yet sure on Ythan. Your progression doesn't quite add up, unless I'm missing something?

(These two are to save time on an Oka iso given how beefy Oka's iso is to show how he townbinned AGar in a way he did not for Winter Flakes.)

[mastina]

I think Winterflakes belongs in the blackhole tier.

S_S says that Winter/Oka and Winter/A50 aren't partners.

Agar has been good at setting up expectations in relation to his play and his limited schedule. I don't agree with his hopkirk read. I do think his takes are his own, that he's not following the zeitgeist, that his play is in line with his behavior from last time I played with him (a town whip so to speak) and that the discrepancies I noticed, he explained away to my satisfaction. I think he's been good about interacting with everyone whilst narrative building over only a few. Null to light town. Wish I had more, I don't.

I feel like if I had a starmap I could look from my previous game with him to this one and say, yeah, that's Agar. Also, his contempt doesn't look fake to me.

VOTE: Agar
Wagon totally pure. Not locktowning Agar.

Q. Why this wording for voting Agar?

Lilith wants to know why Mastina is scum reading Agar. She can't seem to find a reason why he's even her 3rd strongest scum read.

2. Sorry, he said he couldn't find a position on Agar so I helpfully provided him a position on Agar. A position that hasn't changed much. I note that your own argument notes his originality which I posted before you.

@Hopkirk, after work. I find Agar's case on you more convincing than the other way around.

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To nip this in the bud.
There's a difference between what people think scum do and what they actually do. I'm stating that Agar's expectations are not out of line with a town mindset. That goes back to him acting kinda like a town whip. You could easily copy these expectations and slap them on a town player as scum for failing to be 'townie enough' or misapply it. But from observation I don't think Hopkirk has been terribly step from what Agar is accusing him of.

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