Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[WhemeStar]

Yeah I mean at this point I'm just waiting for feedback from other people the only thing I could do is try to put my entire whemestar sus into one post but I'm too tired right now, for now I'm just checking into see if other people post.

I’m getting paranoid that seeds is scum and I’m getting prism’d.

[WhemeStar]

Pagetop ez

[WhemeStar]

I need to look at creative/seeds interactions but probably to lazy to ever do

[WhemeStar]

Maybe I’m wrong about skitter

[WhemeStar]

But I really don’t think so

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-5

It's hard to tell where documentary ends and fiction begins in some of the near-term plans for exploring and colonizing Mars. In both, there's a wide ribbon of resource exploitation and profit.

CreativeName

(1): WhemeStar

Not Voting

(4): skitter30, Kazyan, six pomegranate seeds, CreativeName

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 22, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-21 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[six pomegranate seeds]

The Kazyan town case (with posts fixed):

1 ) The early suss and pocket - 51 -> 71. Kaz says early he will not try to scum hunt (he says he’s not that good at it) but then gets an early scumping and can’t hold back. I like that he says it isn’t a heavy scum read - he sounds uncertain just like he expressed in 51 that he isn’t that confident in his reads. I think 72 from creative name where he actually tells Kaz “That's quite ok, because it means you're acting kinda solvey” doesn’t read as a pair, it reads as creative trying to pocket and pacify an uncertain town Kaz. Kaz unvotes creative in 115 but think this can be consistent with Kaz feeling uncertain. Him calling Wheme a doofus for refusing to elaborate on his Creative PR read reads town to me.

2 ) Fake helpful - In post 78 Creative gives advice to Kazyan “If you find it easier to scum read people definitely go for that, I know some people are better at townreading and some are better at scumreading, also I'll probably make a reads list at some point so look out for that.” It reads similarly to 138 where Creative gives advice to town griff “That's perfectly ok, you're here now, one piece of advice i'd give is to have a notes page or document you can jot your thoughts and reads on so you don't lose track of them and have an easy time referring back to them.” Creative gives advice to the towns as a way of pocketing - each post reads similarly. SAMCRO instantly calls this out in 140. Since Creative is fake helpful to Kaz - Kaz is town.

3 ) The one active - one inactive theory agreement in 111 / 115 / 116 - Creative proposes a one active one inactive theory and Kaz actually agrees to the arbitrary theory - on initial read of the game I thought postulating about this seemed fine and townie and I think Kaz agreeing with Creative and using that as an excuse to invote does not seem like a scum pair move. Level one scum imo want to be seen in superficial disagreement with one another - 118 from wheme he disagrees with Creative’s idea.

4 ) The borrowing of arguments - 121 Pooky is pushing back on Creative’s reasoning that it is scummy to start a wagon (ironic since Creative just said starting a wagon is good so that there is no - no elim on d1 in prior post 59. At this point Kaz swoops in and provides more reasoning for why Pooky is scummy i.e. Pooky has no content 123. At this point Creative basically sheeps what Kaz’s read was, he never uses the words contentless to describe pooky until he echoes kaz here 125 “what I quoted, was like kazyan said content-less posting and warning me of a danger no one else seemed to see.” In game pooky has 3 votes wheme has 2 if Kaz is scum with Creative both of them have been widely TR to this point with the exception of Kaz and Wheme light sussing creative - neither of them appear to be d1 vote candidates so I see no reason for them to align like this and for creative to openly sheep Kaz’s reasoning here.

5 ) The organic Creative suss 208 - Kaz identifying discordance from Creative’s early aggression on SAMCRO to his mason post later on feels like a real read. Contrast with Wheme’s SR from PR reading Creative from 94 if you’re not PR your scum. Kaz is identifying something that actually looks real in Creative’s posting. Kaz also said that Pooky v Creative arguing about RVS meme wagon did not feel town on town I love that he is afraid of confirmation bias in his post here. This is exactly what I was afraid of reading myself into the skitter sus when I first entered the game.

6 ) The wagon follow through - as pointed out by Skitter Kaz asks how to analyze the wagon 209 then follows through 224. Also Kaz was not on the pooky badwagon debacle of d1. And Kazyan is actually convinced in 226 and 227 to vote SAMCRO by Creative in part. Why would a mafia partner convince their mafia partner to change votes in broad daylight in the day chat?

7 ) The commit to Creative vote - 326 Kaz takes my town case on SAMCRO and votes into creative tying it 2-2. It’s not the votes that make it townie because mafia know that creative could claim tracer, but perhaps the tone of remaining internally consistent voting between creative and Samcro instead of following me and voting skitter is the townie part. I also know note that Wheme in 334 went from scumming my slot earlier d2 to now TRing me while creative goes from TRing my slot with grif to now SRing it - it’s funny how they are on the opposite side of literally everything in the game do they agree once? lol.

8 ) The prelim thought followed by the walk back - 382 / 384 - stuff like this is very townie. Kaz remains internally consistent thinking there’s a man in SAM vs. Creative fight. They express anxiety that mafia is trying to deflect out of the vote. This makes total sense with their later “north star” post that they want to vote them out in any order to get the game into a winnable state - which makes sense from a town perspective. Creative says someone is trying to deflect out of the pool of SAMCRO creative but then realizes that everyone was voting into that pool before me and says he feels silly. This could be him TMIing that I’m town I guess but I still read it as town that he thinks something is true without verifying it and posts, then realizes it isn’t true and backtracks. Feels like a town playing off of instinct and speaking their mind not rechecking logs.

My work from the day. I have to go do something now will be back later.

[six pomegranate seeds]

I am interested in skitter's independent analysis of Kaz / wheme. Just waiting around.

[WhemeStar]

Who asked for short night btw

[skitter30]

heya - i feel really bad that people are waiting for me, i'm sorry :/
i'm going to be honest that i'm in a bit of a depressive funk and i just don't have the energy to go through this today, and given that it's shortly the weekend and i'm vla on weekends, i don't know if i'll do it before saturday night

basically i think that creative is scum. seeds is town (or at the very least i'm never going to be alive wiht him tomorrow, so functionally not my problem)

i'm like 70-30 on wheme/kaz but i still do have to iso each to get to a like final decision
if y'all are ok with it i'd be ok with hammering creative now and moving to night and if i'm alive tomorrow do the reads and figure it out then
if not i realistically don't think i'm going to do it before saturday night.

again i'm sorry for causing the stall, this one's on me :/

[WhemeStar]

Take your time

I’m ready whenever and down to wait I don’t really care

[Kazyan]

If you wanna hammer, I'll do the E-1 here and let you make that decision. VOTE: CreativeName

[skitter30]

oh man the paranoia induced by that post

[WhemeStar]

oh man the paranoia induced by that post

Skitter did you ask for short night

[skitter30]

last night? i did after ffery pm'd me about it

[skitter30]

i wasn't the person who originally asked if that's what you're asking

[WhemeStar]

i wasn't the person who originally asked if that's what you're asking

Interesting I figured it was you.

[WhemeStar]

Kaz’s vote gave you paranoia?

[skitter30]

i'm gonna be honest there is a part of me that's feeling kaz/creative

pedit it wasn't

[WhemeStar]

Honestly I don’t think I die here ever so I’ll probably read interactions after one of you 3 die

[skitter30]

that's fair
i kinda would expect you to feel more 'trapped' if you were the partner and i'm not getting those vibes

[WhemeStar]

I’m still paranoid of seeds. Like I townread them for all the work they are doing but that’s the only reason

[WhemeStar]

that's fair
i kinda would expect you to feel more 'trapped' if you were the partner and i'm not getting those vibes

No I definitely feel trapped all 3 of you scumread me and I don’t get why

[skitter30]

maybe like trapped is the wrong word. like panicked almost. you don't really seem to feel like the agme is going to inevitably end with your flip
(although tbf ig you should be feeling that as either alignment)

[skitter30]

If you wanna hammer, I'll do the E-1 here and let you make that decision. VOTE: CreativeName

man this feels icky to me