Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

You're more comfortable calling a dude who has made like 4 posts scum than Cakez who has 356 posts?

me? yes. more information is not necessarily equivalent to more clarity

[Bell]

Bell where are you at with Dunnstral right now?

Null read. This is the least active and most disinterested I've seen him be. I'm not sure if that makes him scum or not. I don't know what his scum game looks like.

@Bork, sure.

[Dunnstral]

Bell where are you at with Dunnstral right now?

Null read. This is the least active and most disinterested I've seen him be. I'm not sure if that makes him scum or not. I don't know what his scum game looks like.

@Bork, sure.

I'm saving posts /s

[borkjerfkin]

otherwise I'd be pushing you guys for your poor play I mentioned above.

this is just really weirdly phased. either it's scummy play or it's not.

[Bell]

I was mostly posturing at Bork to see if I could shake him. I too find NS's first post scummy, but I also know that there's a genuine temptation to dogpile because there's blood in the water and I'm not sure NS can or will be able to get out of it.

Won't lie, I get this vague bussy feeling.

Also, I'm happy you're feeling better Bork. I heard you were sick or something.

[Bell]

Bell where are you at with Dunnstral right now?

Null read. This is the least active and most disinterested I've seen him be. I'm not sure if that makes him scum or not. I don't know what his scum game looks like.

@Bork, sure.

I'm saving posts /s

Are you fucking with me?

[borkjerfkin]

I heard you were sick or something.

j&j shot did a number on me fri night - and i don't usually react that kinda way to vaccines. thanks for the well wishes.

[Dunnstral]

otherwise I'd be pushing you guys for your poor play I mentioned above.

this is just really weirdly phased. either it's scummy play or it's not.

Bad as in poor play, not evil/scummy play.

You getting hyper defensive about your alignment whenever I try to talk to you is still a thing, I see, and is the one thing that keeps making me think you can be scum

[Dunnstral]

Bell where are you at with Dunnstral right now?

Null read. This is the least active and most disinterested I've seen him be. I'm not sure if that makes him scum or not. I don't know what his scum game looks like.

@Bork, sure.

I'm saving posts /s

Are you fucking with me?

yes

[Prism]

I heard you were sick or something.

j&j shot did a number on me fri night - and i don't usually react that kinda way to vaccines. thanks for the well wishes.

My first reaction was "What type of alcohol is that?" send help

[borkjerfkin]

You getting hyper defensive about your alignment whenever I try to talk to you is still a thing

i'm not getting defensive - i just think that's circular reasoning for pushing people

[borkjerfkin]

My first reaction was "What type of alcohol is that?" send help

that's j&b and my parents can stick w/ that swill

[borkjerfkin]

dunn pretend my name isn't in that post and you mentioned two randos and i still would've had that response

[Dunnstral]

You getting hyper defensive about your alignment whenever I try to talk to you is still a thing

i'm not getting defensive - i just think that's circular reasoning for pushing people

What is circular reasoning?

[MathBlade]

There are people here who have spent that past week saying they should read into me more and just haven't and continue to call me scum

Name names. Push these players. My being one of them after I got partway through Spiffeh is no surprise.

I am sick of you doing nothing the entire game then crying when you get scumread. If your entire ability to win games as scum requires you to 0 effort and give only the most baselevel reasoning as town, something is wrong with your playstyle.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I like this vote even if it isn’t on Cakez.

Definitely better than a not science vote.

Not science could be scum, don’t get me wrong some of Grey ICE’s posts are bad and I would hammer to prevent a no elim but a not science wagon is literally push a lurker to avoid the PoE again.

It’s following the same “vibes” as DGB wagon.

[borkjerfkin]

"if i thought X was scum i'd be pushing X for poor play."

You don't push people for poor play because you already think they are scum (circular reasoning), you come to believe they are scum because they are doing scummy things.

anyway i don't think anything after this on that topic is going to be alignment indicative from you so i'm done w/ it

[Dunnstral]

Bad as in poor play, not evil/scummy play.

[borkjerfkin]

i know what you meant - i'm saying that's neutral and not a reason to find someone scummy so why push them for it.
i don't feel like this is helping.

[Bell]

Circular reasoning is when your premises need backing just as much as your conclusion does.

For example, if you say that someone is scum (conclusion) because their word count or number of posts has reached 666 (the premise that everyone that makes 666 posts or has a post that has exactly 666 letters in it is scum) then you've created a circular argument because both your conclusion that everyone that makes those types of posts is scum is not particularly likely to be accurate and so any conclusion or comparison drawing from it is also lacking persuasiveness.

"Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion"
Wikipedia~ It can also just mean that you start with the conclusion and then state the premises that apply to when you reached the conclusion.

[Bell]

In this case the circular reasoning he's mentioning looks like this:
Bork is scum(conclusion) because scum are very defensive (premise).

[borkjerfkin]

i mostly mean the idea of pushing someone for something not alignment indicative because you already think they're scum for something else just a weird thing to talk about doing.

[Dunnstral]

There's 3 scum and most people have less than 3 strong scumreads

My feeling is that someone is being overlooked in the cakez/spiffeh/titus area

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dunno how many times I have to type that it's bork+cakez and then the last one is probably just notty or titus with lean towards notty.

anyway its not like scum can change their cards

can we get on with the killing cakeboi plan now?

thx

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually screw the titus angle

its just cake notty and bork.

can we start with cake? he is the tastiest of the three

[MathBlade]

Gobble gobble gobble.

Takes scum elims are fun.

Baaaah I am a good sheep.