electoral college mafia (now its done watch it go)

[Flea The Magician]

Anya's claim was the most OBVIOUS fake claim ever

Why so? It was a really specific role... people don't fakeclaim "loyal messenger" for the lulz. o.o

peoples don't claim mafia rolecop for the lulz, and yet

the way she presented it, like, that's not how you out two freaking guilties, and i don't see how it being specific changes anything

People scumclaim for the lulz often, it annoys me but it happens.

[Flea The Magician]

what how did you know i was a mailman?

are you a mafia rolecop?

i'm not a mailman or a rolecop though

i won't confirm or deny whether i'm mafia though

the game wouldn't be fun if we all role claimed straight away

wait what how did they figure out i was a mafia rolecop?

ok i'll claim i dunno exactly what it does but i'm a loyal messenger

targeted randy savage last night with 'hi wolf'

did you get that?

ok i'll claim i dunno exactly what it does but i'm a loyal messenger

i'm just a vanilla townie lol

i was testing math and i still think he's wolf

reason i thought randy was a wolf is because he's clearly someone who joined with a gimmick and to have fun

but then didn't post and just got out of here - that's likely due to this alignment

This is all of Anyas claims. Anya only made 2 actual claims, loyal messenger and VT.
Claiming "Loyal messenger" to reaction test someone is a loaded gun, and forces a guilty. That immediately makes a 1vs1.
Look at those claims again, and tell me "Loyal Mailman" was a fake claim and that you're happy going for math over his reaction?

[Flea The Magician]

s/loyal mailman/loyal messenger

[Gypyx]

i have trouble beliving math actually bought that claim from anya not gonna lie

and like, why is he rushing on her now but when she litterally faked messages he didn't move a finger (grated yes he repped in, but cmon, like, he's caught up)

Flea, you think math's push is actually legit?

Yeah I do, Math town told BIG in his reaction. to the claim, speaking of...

i'm just a vanilla townie lol

OK, so based on your ISO + this recent stunt I want you limmed AND blacklisted.

(Warning moon logic)
I am thinking Anya might just be a loyal messenger but for scum.

If she was a town loyal messenger then she would want out’s elimination and be screaming so since out never (unless I missed it) claimed to get the thing that would supposedly prove her innocence.

I think scum have a traitor and Anya is a loyal messenger but for scum to find a traitor.
(End moon logic)

Regardless of the right/wrongness of the above I think Anya is scum and I don’t think she posts what she does as VT and if she does then wow.

too bad we litterally have public info of no traitors

i don't like you actually discussing seriously anya's things

did... did you miss the part where Anya made a serious claim and outed a PR? Like I need to look at you anyway at some point from yesterdays flip

Anya's claim was the most OBVIOUS fake claim ever, and math instantly claiming is just super fake

he didn't even wait for worldER to like, say if he got a message

Because the options were lie and say you got a message, which would've been revealed to be BS, or tell the truth which with that claim implies a mechanical guilty.
It wasnt an obvious fake claim, if it was, there would be more weirdness about it, but no. "Loyal Messenger" who has send 2 messages and neither recipient has got one.

Math responded exactly has he should have, and then Anya revealed it was a fake claim. This feels like you got your chainsaw out.

The eternal dilemma of the chaotic... feed Auro coffee or attempt to calm him down...

I'm sigging this after the game

there's weirdness about it because scum is actively making things confused, and guess who suddently makes a big confusing fuss about what's going on ? math (yes because he's been presenting arguments after the claim was revealed as fake like anya still pretended to true claim)

Math deliberately overracted, even if the claim looked real to him, you can't ignore the fact that anya spent the last day entirely shitposting

[Auro]

Even if Math's a replacement?

[Gypyx]

even the smallest of catchups make this obvious tbf

[Flea The Magician]

Thing about shitposters, when they take something seriously you HAVE TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY their everything shifts and a mechanical guilty is not going to be ignored by any player worth their salt.

Math had a MECHANICAL GUILTY claimed on him. Most players would throw all the toys out of the pram, scum like doing it as AtE is an amazing tool. Instead Math went to work establishing reads and connections around Anya, looking for motivations and reasons. How is that an overreaction? Anya's claimed to have lied once about a claim and forced a gamestate change as a result, nothing that slot says can be taken seriously EVEN WITH A REPLACEMENT.

By the same card I've overreacted and so has A50.

[Gypyx]

yes but, Anya clearly wasn't taking that guilty seriously, like, you don't just go "uuuuuuh, what'z my role guys ?¿¿?¿???¿" and i don't belive she doesn't read her role PM, and i doubt anyone else does

uh, establish motivations and reactions... not sure we are reading the same game here, talking about the guy that throws a claim, and then goes full on tunnel mode

yes, nothing this slot can be taken seriously, why do you say the claim should've been taken seriously then? like what's even the logic

well, you guys aren't making the gamestate more confusing at least ya know

[Auro]

i don't belive she doesn't read her role PM, and i doubt anyone else does

o.o
That was still not an obvious fakeclaim

Dayvig: Gypyx

[mozamis]

"Loyal messenger" to reaction test someone is a loaded gun, and forces a guilty.

ah i didnt know what it was. So the other person only gets the message IF they are town. So potentially Math is scum cos he is saying they didnt get the message?
That changes things, so Math could just have made those super effort posts to save his own neck?

[mozamis]

So when did anya make those claims, before math posted?
As in, did Math have time to replace in, read Anyas comments, and come up with a plan?

[mozamis]

guess i should go back and read again man this is complicated
Still important caveat is tha tthis is BASTARD game so they could both be innocent.
tho gun to head i am more inclined to believe anya than math now.

[Gypyx]

i don't belive she doesn't read her role PM, and i doubt anyone else does

o.o
That was still not an obvious fakeclaim

Dayvig: Gypyx

we'll just have to agree to disagree i guess

[Gypyx]

guess i should go back and read again man this is complicated
Still important caveat is tha tthis is BASTARD game so they could both be innocent.
tho gun to head i am more inclined to believe anya than math now.

this is bastard voting mechanic, the setup is 100% otherwise, and math is just overracting to shitposting

[Gypyx]

100% normal*

[Auro]

guess i should go back and read again

I agree that you should, too.

[T3]

plend probably would have hammered if Anya is town.

[Flea The Magician]

yes but, Anya clearly wasn't taking that guilty seriously, like, you don't just go "uuuuuuh, what'z my role guys ?¿¿?¿???¿" and i don't belive she doesn't read her role PM, and i doubt anyone else does

uh, establish motivations and reactions... not sure we are reading the same game here, talking about the guy that throws a claim, and then goes full on tunnel mode

yes, nothing this slot can be taken seriously, why do you say the claim should've been taken seriously then? like what's even the logic

well, you guys aren't making the gamestate more confusing at least ya know

You know Math tunnels. Like me, once hes on something, he does not drop it. He was forced into a claim by what amounts to the shittest town sabotage "reaction test".
There was a reaction, and a backlash. When a chaotic or fluffy player is serious, they need to be taken seriously and not allowed to use their chaotic and fluffy nature as an out.

COMING FROM THE FREAKIN QUING OF FLUFF POSTING.

The gamestate as it stands from my perspective is 1vs1 Anya vs Math. Math prolly dies tonight because of the claim if not then hes getting yeeted and Anya lives because hey why kill limbait. Shit cop it may be, cop it still is.

i don't belive she doesn't read her role PM, and i doubt anyone else does

o.o
That was still not an obvious fakeclaim

Dayvig: Gypyx

Godsdamnit Popcorn machines working overtime in this game o.o

guess i should go back and read again man this is complicated
Still important caveat is tha tthis is BASTARD game so they could both be innocent.
tho gun to head i am more inclined to believe anya than math now.

Normal game... with bastard voting mechanics....
You run out of tinfoil yet?

[Auro]

The gamestate as it stands from my perspective is 1vs1 Anya vs Math. Math prolly dies tonight because of the claim if not then hes getting yeeted and Anya lives because hey why kill limbait. Shit cop it may be, cop it still is.

Anya backtracked and said she's vanilla though. Why exactly does Anya live, again?

[Flea The Magician]

The gamestate as it stands from my perspective is 1vs1 Anya vs Math. Math prolly dies tonight because of the claim if not then hes getting yeeted and Anya lives because hey why kill limbait. Shit cop it may be, cop it still is.

Anya backtracked and said she's vanilla though. Why exactly does Anya live, again?

Assuming we send someone else to the naughty corner, if town, scum wont touch a potential mislim. If Anya isnt eliminated, she will be here in ELO - basically.

[MathBlade]

i'm not posting or reading this game anymore

it makes me feel genuinely terrible

any if you are town, come back we need you! I know this game can be harsh, but I find normally if you just take like a day off, or four or five hours off, it passes!
Obv if you are scum than eff off

@Math = Anya leaving is NAI. Flow did that earlier this game and we all thought he was scum replacing out. No, he was town. Town can replace out, annoyed, as can scum.
My gut is saying we shouldnt lynch Anya. In what world does scum say "I'm a mafia rolecop" lol
If we lynch Anya, we are purely going off MATHh's theory, which could be right, could be wrong. It's a world of WIFOM.
We should foucus on likely scum like Auro or Almost.
tHO NOW ALSO PARANOID about Math lol
He looks really effing town, but why deny getting a message from anya?
To confirm: Math, you deny getting any message from Anya?
I guess could be a roleblocker?

Yes I have and continue to deny getting a message.
Anya leaving is NAI.

And it is not a “theory” Anya is scum. It’s Anya is scum or she gamethrew.
Before I was in the game, she claimed to send something to outer that would proclaim her innocence.
Then today she says she is a loyal messenger.
I claim my results which I crumbed from the start of my play.
These are facts not wine.
In what world does town fake claim for two days straight?
Anya’s play is not town play.
You just took the same argument I already destroyed earlier and repeated it.

[MathBlade]

You said you are a mason. Is this correct? Yes or No.

This is not a question that I see any protown reason to answer at this time.

You said you targeted someone with a power. Is this correct? Yes or No.

Yes, but I know for a fact that N1, I was roleblocked. Given that I know I was roleblocked N1 and that I received a message from someone saying they're an odd-night Alien who targeted me N1, and that Aliens roleblock their target, this checks out.

You said you received a letter. Is this correct? If so yes or no and what did it contain and who from?

I did receive a letter N1. I have stated the contents of the letter. It was NOT from Momrangal; I don't see reason to specify further, given that the sender of the message is, explicitly, a very strong power role whose claim I can at least half-verify. (They claimed to target me with an action that blocks me, I was blocked N1, so at the very least the roleblocking half of the oddnight alien claim is confirmed.)

And lastly have you watched any you tube or musicals recently?

No, I have not.

I think you or this alien are scum due to the one too many PRs problem.

why specifically those two?

Because those are the other two claimed PRs and there’s a too many claimed PRs problem.

[MathBlade]

i'm just a vanilla townie lol

OK, so based on your ISO + this recent stunt I want you limmed AND blacklisted.

(Warning moon logic)
I am thinking Anya might just be a loyal messenger but for scum.

If she was a town loyal messenger then she would want out’s elimination and be screaming so since out never (unless I missed it) claimed to get the thing that would supposedly prove her innocence.

I think scum have a traitor and Anya is a loyal messenger but for scum to find a traitor.
(End moon logic)

Regardless of the right/wrongness of the above I think Anya is scum and I don’t think she posts what she does as VT and if she does then wow.

too bad we litterally have public info of no traitors

i don't like you actually discussing seriously anya's things

Regarding traitors good to know.

You don’t like me discussing my Anya read?

When she fake claimed a guilty on me?

Man if this is Anya Moz G and Tsu and one of them is the alien I am gonna die a happy man.

[MathBlade]

i have trouble beliving math actually bought that claim from anya not gonna lie

and like, why is he rushing on her now but when she litterally faked messages he didn't move a finger (grated yes he repped in, but cmon, like, he's caught up)

Flea, you think math's push is actually legit?

Uhm I replaced in today after a skim.

The only message she had said was myself since then.

T3 said she claimed mail person (If I am wrong about Tsu sub in T3) and I struggled to find where and asked for help and that’s what started this shindig.

Are you selectively choosing posts?

You realize this outed you as scum last time you were scum in a game with town!Me right?

[MathBlade]

I pushed Math on that a little and Math's argument was that the claim effectively represented a guilty (even accounting for the presence of a roleblocker, it may be argued that limming the guilty is the optimal move). Instead of waiting for the eventual wagon and blah he just sped up the process and claimed right there. This logic does check out unless you believe Anya's fakeclaim was "obviously a fakeclaim" but I doubt that.

well yeah, that's where our views differ

i don't see how claiming 2-shot tracker actually changes anything from a town PoV? like, guilty's still on you

Yes...I am a fucking mind reader and claimed my track before the supposed guilty and outed my crumbs.

If I die today {Anya,G,and Moz} are all lock scum. G is 100% better than what his play is right now.