Newbie 2059 - Scummer's Baking Championship (Baked Over)

[GrandpaMo]

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[GrandpaMo]

Replying to Andante's wallpost in 487. My responses in

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sorry this is so long...

JacksonVirgo: 43 ISO posts, LOTS of quotes and responding to quotes.

Is this a problem? You're making it out that it is

2 people vote Grandpa, and Jackson goes “I’m swinging this way as well at this point” - #162 with no interactions directed at Grandpa before that, then in #162 Jackson votes Grandpa after yelling that they were gonna sleep/go to work?? I do believe Jackson was genuinely mad, but like, it’s weird. #167 Jackson says “I am saying your perspective is not one that aligns with what I would consider a town mindset.” But all Jackson has really SAID about/to grandpa was explained the setup, and got mad at GM cause Jackson said they were gonna go to bed/work, yet assumes they have to stick around and talk to GM??
You are aware you can just walk away and resume whenever right??

Depending on how busy my life is at the time, I sometimes can't get super into a game until later which leads to me reading but not posting, which happened until Grandpa heavy-duty caught my radar. You're also taking my words out of context here. Grandpa was omitting information that was making me look bad, of which I wasn't going to accept so of course I attacked back. I explained many times about the mindset thing so why are you choosing to ignore that. I do not like leaving stones unturned when I play, get used to my playstyle or yeet me.

~~ I see why yall wanted me to react to this exchange earlier lmao ~~
Just reading this, Jackson feels mad/annoyed at GM for the questions. GM asked for a reason for a read, and in #168 you go “I’ve given one, rather blatantly if I do say so myself” then in #169 JV scumreads GM for saying lmao.
Like, I could see this as town conf biased Grandpa is scum, but it really feels like JV has just decided to tunnel GM.
In #179, I find this really interesting, JV calls GM manipulative, then talks about GM sheeping another’s read without adding to it, then picking info to make JV look bad. I haven’t ISOd GM yet, but this reaction to GM wondering the reason JV SRs them? The #179 paragraph is just a very generic thing, it’s not even like “you said this here, and changed the context here” Town or Maf, Jackson feels like they aren’t even going to consider a Grandpa town world, which makes me lean JV scum, but I’ll keep reading.
#180 Jackson still seems mad about being “expected to be there when they previously said they wouldn’t be” like, this type of anger isn’t alignment indicative, but I do kinda SR the fact JV has so many posts about it, when you could literally just walk away any moment and return later, and no one will care.

I was very frustrated with having to deal with what Grandpa was doing, yes. Your response to my 169 is weak and seems overly shady, tbh it's not even a response it's just reiterating what was done with no input of your own. Repeating again, me deadass tunneling a player without looking elsewhere is a bad habit of mine, even if I am right I am trying not to do so. Again, you're attacking something that's just my
playstyle, so stop.

#183 JV explains a town vs scum mindset, and I’ll add, a town mindset would be trying to find maf/acknowledging your read might not be right, cause JV has just been tunneling Grandpa, granted GM is probably the only one speaking right now, but posts like this kinda just reaffirm that your only goal is to tunnel GM, I kinda agree with GM’s #181 JV hasn’t explained the GM specific things, just keeps talking in general terms.
#186 JV is still yelling about being in the forum longer than they wanted?
Again, you are more than welcome to walk away whenever, we have 7 IRL days for d2/3/4
JV asking GM about maf experience… as if that will change anything about this little situation… I’m trying to not make a super long post here lol I know yall aren’t gonna want to read this
#227 FINALLY a post not to GM, JV responds to Fizz about spamming the thread, which in my opinion is a really weird post to respond to lol especially going “I don’t think this is AI” like, I think in that content, it definitely pointed more to JV scum GM town, like, also based on what I remember people saying, others agreed with that, and I really see it.
#229 “I have a surface level TR on skitz because their entrance” this comment feels really out there. Just had this huge exchange with GM about how you need reasons.. also in #160 basically told me reading entrances was bad, but if JV does it, it’s ok!!

Acknowledging a read may/may not be right is a personality thing and/or confidence thing so I disagree with you. 186 you're completely misrepresenting/misunderstanding there. I am proving that I was not just bullshitting my way out of posting like Grandpa was making out I was doing. And I am ALLOWED to ask people for experience, I was trying to fucking gauge them. Now I'm lowkey getting mad. I do not care if any of my posts are "out there", I've explained what I did and I am not going to again.

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#298 makes a point to go back to skitter about the entrance? This exchange with the 2 feels really weird. I was a tad sus of skit before, and this makes it feel like “I need to force an interaction with my partner” it’s so significant, I’ll actually quote it below.

I have a surface level TR on skitz mainly because their entrance felt ballsy in a sense scum wouldn't try. Also the fact they don't have an issue with switching reads, scum tend to stick to it as to not feel opportunistic.

Oh? How was it ballsy?

It just seems overly, hype/exciting in a way that seems too risky for scum to do as it may appear as pockety.

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#412 is another post just speaking in general, and not really directed at anyone “scum would do this…”
#413 – JV knows I’m town likely from TMI but I’ll take a tr right now
#423- I mean, if you ISO Glory, Glory’s lines are fine, definitely not bad.

You're making associative reads before any flips happen, which is generally bad practice as you're >rand wrong when you do that. Just stick to singular reads and go from flips, trust me on that one. I hate the fact you're shading me for 413 which is legitimately LAMIST, and I no longer town-lean you. It's actually quite funny how big your contradiction here is though, you said a town mindset is knowing your reads may not be right, but here you are fairly certain on me/skitter being scum (more specifically me here) and yeah, according to your very own logic you are scum. Congrats fam

so im assuming u hopping on the andante wagon too? man idk, i dont wanna feel pressured. im scared that andanate actually flips scum but like am i really the only one who townreads them???

[JacksonVirgo]

Grandpa didn't really answer my question the way I had hoped. So I wouldn't mind a flip on either them or Andante.

[Andante]

if everyone is deadset on me, can we just end today? you literally know I'm flipping town, and tomorrow look in Wheme/Jackson/Skitter

[Andante]

I know there's literally nothing I can do to make anyone tr me, so I don't care?? no one is sus of me for a legit reason, so why are yall dragging the day out then? oh that's right.. you know I'm town

[Andante]

lmaooo ready for my unpopular take which I'm pretty certain on. Wheme is maf, like, sure get me today, get Wheme tomorrow and final is in skitter/Jackson. I'm not saying this just cause like "omg they're voting me" no it's like, a pretty dead certain read. Wheme feels identical to 2057, and skitter is very different.

I THINK my town game and scum game are kind of similar but who knows I can't really self meta.
REGARDLESS of that I just replaced in and haev like 3 posts and im not caught up. do you expect to know how I have been playing this game?

Well exactly, you came in, and I'm the first person you decide to go "I'll be voting andante" like, you couldn't have possibly caught up, and came out with me being scummiest

[Andante]

now are yall gonna take 1 day and 14 hours to decide I'm still scum for whatever bs reason? you know majority of votes are on me, so by waiting, you get me out, then you go "I never voted!!!"

[Andante]

those currently sus of me know I'm flipping town, like, this can not be any more clear. Anyone notice where ahri went? nope, cause Ahri has no votes on her now... we don't have to sit here for 10 days guys.. we can get it done before the 10...

[JacksonVirgo]

Reading back a little as I think I may have been a tad biased and didn't respond to everything

[JacksonVirgo]

i actually was going to answer that later when i looked back giving the tldr of wheemie (also cuz i witnessed it too) but basically i realized that like tonality/style is much nai on forum mafia lol and also i just got lazy to just keep doing it every single time. so it is whatever i right. like earlier, i gave my more formal tone but this one it is semi formal. it just happen to be that it doesn't matter for me anymore. ik long response for an expected 1 answer thing but oh well

You were going to answer why you had a tonal shift prior to being called out? And you're also saying someone who is generally aggressive, backs down (hypothetical, not aimed at anyone) that would not be scummy?

And imo you once had a very retaliatory tone and now it's generally extremely passive and I am not entirely sure what to make of it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Grandpa, do a quick solid for me.

Where do I stand in your reads. You keep saying I have gotten townier etc etc but then you still SR me but less than Pooky yes?

yes so basically my parings WERE originally skitter/pooky and fizz/jv i believe if i recall correctly. i was basically saying how there was 1 mafia at that time. afte rour interaction,i realized that hey it could just now be switched up optimally to pooky/jv and skitter/fizz. and scumteam could just be both pooky and jv. but then later on the days, you acted more towny in response to our second very little interaction as well ur response to other ppl including rn to andante's iso reads on you and i realizezd that pooky was way more genearlly scum than you. yes they have contributed but they seemed to sheep what skitter says, not giv any really other good reads other than on me and u (thinking we are alligned) and just overall lack of contribtuion. pooky's early game was good tho, but then later after me and jv's interaction died down, you jv just started acting townier (and that may have been because we werent tunneling each other and now i was finally seeing ur other reads open up etc.)

so if i am basically looking at pooky/jv... i thought pooky was more scum in that pair.

Alright thanks for the clarification

[JacksonVirgo]

so im assuming u hopping on the andante wagon too? man idk, i dont wanna feel pressured. im scared that andanate actually flips scum but like am i really the only one who townreads them???

I'm still quite back and forth between you and them, I wouldn't mind either way tbch. It seems Andante seems to be the way things are flipping, I'm probably going to have to ISO dive you both (I hate doin' them D: )

[JacksonVirgo]

if everyone is deadset on me, can we just end today? you literally know I'm flipping town, and tomorrow look in Wheme/Jackson/Skitter

I do not care if you look super town to yourself, you're simply not to anyone else except Grandpa apparently. The quicker you cut out your cockiness the easier it will be to solve you.

[Andante]

so im assuming u hopping on the andante wagon too? man idk, i dont wanna feel pressured. im scared that andanate actually flips scum but like am i really the only one who townreads them???

I'm still quite back and forth between you and them, I wouldn't mind either way tbch. It seems Andante seems to be the way things are flipping, I'm probably going to have to ISO dive you both (I hate doin' them D: )

Funny how I think Grandpa is also town. Why ate you not looking at literally anyone but me/grandpa? you seems convinced the vote has to stay in us

[JacksonVirgo]

lmaooo ready for my unpopular take which I'm pretty certain on. Wheme is maf, like, sure get me today, get Wheme tomorrow and final is in skitter/Jackson. I'm not saying this just cause like "omg they're voting me" no it's like, a pretty dead certain read. Wheme feels identical to 2057, and skitter is very different.

I THINK my town game and scum game are kind of similar but who knows I can't really self meta.
REGARDLESS of that I just replaced in and haev like 3 posts and im not caught up. do you expect to know how I have been playing this game?

Well exactly, you came in, and I'm the first person you decide to go "I'll be voting andante" like, you couldn't have possibly caught up, and came out with me being scummiest

On the surface level, I am thinking this is actually a good point. Further than that I will have to look at their entrance to see if it's valid

[Andante]

if everyone is deadset on me, can we just end today? you literally know I'm flipping town, and tomorrow look in Wheme/Jackson/Skitter

I do not care if you look super town to yourself, you're simply not to anyone else except Grandpa apparently. The quicker you cut out your cockiness the easier it will be to solve you.

I literally already said. Hand and Fizz town, Grandpa likely town. that's way more than half yall

[JacksonVirgo]

so im assuming u hopping on the andante wagon too? man idk, i dont wanna feel pressured. im scared that andanate actually flips scum but like am i really the only one who townreads them???

I'm still quite back and forth between you and them, I wouldn't mind either way tbch. It seems Andante seems to be the way things are flipping, I'm probably going to have to ISO dive you both (I hate doin' them D: )

Funny how I think Grandpa is also town. Why ate you not looking at literally anyone but me/grandpa? you seems convinced the vote has to stay in us

Because my SRs are you both, I do not have reads stronger than you both.

[Andante]

Also the fact I lost every single tr cause I was pushing on Ahri... why does ahri get a free pass from doing anything?? its been 9 days, and ahri has given 0 legit content. why so much resistance?

[Andante]

so im assuming u hopping on the andante wagon too? man idk, i dont wanna feel pressured. im scared that andanate actually flips scum but like am i really the only one who townreads them???

I'm still quite back and forth between you and them, I wouldn't mind either way tbch. It seems Andante seems to be the way things are flipping, I'm probably going to have to ISO dive you both (I hate doin' them D: )

Funny how I think Grandpa is also town. Why ate you not looking at literally anyone but me/grandpa? you seems convinced the vote has to stay in us

Because my SRs are you both, I do not have reads stronger than you both.

So you think me and Grandpa are scum. The only 2 even posting and trying to find maf. Pooky is straight up meming, Ahri isn't doing anything, Wheme is all "I just joined idk" like, that can only be an excuse for so long, and especially when you say you're sus or gonna vote me... (i don't remember the exact line) like, excuse me?? you keep saying you just joined and have to catch up, yet I'm #1 sr??? whatever

[Andante]

like seriously, the past 7 days, yall have just been gunning after me, like, vote me out then... oh wait, you don't want your name attatched to the andante town wagon

[JacksonVirgo]

So you think me and Grandpa are scum. The only 2 even posting and trying to find maf. Pooky is straight up meming, Ahri isn't doing anything, Wheme is all "I just joined idk" like, that can only be an excuse for so long, and especially when you say you're sus or gonna vote me... (i don't remember the exact line) like, excuse me?? you keep saying you just joined and have to catch up, yet I'm #1 sr??? whatever

I do not think you both are, at least I am not making any associative read before flips. I am just saying that I want to flip scum, and I think it's more likely to flip them if we elim within you both. ngl Pooky has slid right under my brain for a small bit so I'll have to keep my eye on them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Votecount 1-11

With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to eliminate.

GrandpaMo (1): JacksonVirgo
Ahri (1): Andante
Andante (3): skitter30, Ahri, PookyTheMagicalBear
Hand of Glory (1): Hand of Glory

Not Voting (3): Fizz Raab, GeorgeBailey, GrandpaMo

The deadline for day one is set at (expired on 2021-03-31 00:59:36)

Mod Note: I have no life's work better spent than sniping pagetops.

Skitter is V/LA until the heat death of the universe (Monday)

Just from this VC, I am not sure if any other votes happened, but Andante is at E-2. I doubt a Grandpa wagon will happen at this point sadly. What's giving me pause for voting Andante is simply the two last players on the wagon.

[JacksonVirgo]

We probably need a claim around 24 hours before EoD

[Andante]

So you think me and Grandpa are scum. The only 2 even posting and trying to find maf. Pooky is straight up meming, Ahri isn't doing anything, Wheme is all "I just joined idk" like, that can only be an excuse for so long, and especially when you say you're sus or gonna vote me... (i don't remember the exact line) like, excuse me?? you keep saying you just joined and have to catch up, yet I'm #1 sr??? whatever

I do not think you both are, at least I am not making any associative read before flips. I am just saying that I want to flip scum, and I think it's more likely to flip them if we elim within you both. ngl Pooky has slid right under my brain for a small bit so I'll have to keep my eye on them.

so here is where you set up to get one of us and go "well the other is for sure scum!!!" like, this is literally setting up now.. not making a read before the flip? there's literally nothing confirming a scum in me and grandpa, we're just the only 2 talking.

[Andante]

you want me to claim? I told yall I claim town, and you can flip me to discover which town role I am, cause I have 0 care about this game when people like you are just tunneling me for no reason.. like, you're literally like "we flip andante today, then if andante flips town, we get grandpa"