Newbie 2059 - Scummer's Baking Championship (Baked Over)

[Fizz Raab]

How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

[GrandpaMo]

How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

LOL LMFAOOO im sorry but JV get rekt nubbb. jokes jokes @fizz, what jv was saying that u shouldnt have whatever u were claiming to be obvious because now mafia kills you at night. i was actually confused and didnt see until later. since the information is now exposed. can you fully claim?

[JacksonVirgo]

How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

Okay understand like this.
Town ONLY has two power roles at MOST. And since one is now dead, take your guess why I am like this.

[JacksonVirgo]

Damn it... my entire gane-plan has gone to shit now.
But eh, you're a newbie so it happens. I assume you come from a role-madness game like Town of Salem or something.
Next time PLEASE read the setup when playing a game so this doesn't happen okay?

Sorry for getting mad

Here's the setup

Spoiler:

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Mods should use the sample role PMs below.

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[JacksonVirgo]

Whoops that broke

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I guess I am cleared regardless of whether they're Jailkeeper or Tracker as I would have likely done the kill as scum unless the other scum is someone who is up further in the town such as skitter.

[JacksonVirgo]

Back to the setup. Since a Friendly Neighbour is dead, there are two setups that this can be.

Friendly Neighbour + Tracker
Friendly Neighbour + Jailkeeper

Both with a Role Cop, which acts like a Consigliere if you are from ToS. Which gets the role of the their target.

[Fizz Raab]

OK, but didn't you Jackson ask the other guy why he also claimed as well? I just don't get this game I guess. My bad, moving on.

[JacksonVirgo]

Since the Friendly Neighbour is deado, there's only a Tracker or a Jailkeeper for Town. If that's gone it's essentially a mountainous (which means only vanilla roles, roles with no abilities).

a 2v11 mountanious is balanced for Town. Since this is a 2v7 from the start we are in a MASSIVE disadvantage and it's likely a loss. That and we didn't even get an elimination in on D1 so scum had the advantage there anyway.

I am still going to try my hardest at this game, as should all of you to counter the odds but yeah, take that as you will.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're Jailkeeper you can still stop a kill if you block the killer, which we SHOULD NOT DISCUSS FURTHER. If you're Tracker you only have a semi-clear.

[JacksonVirgo]

Skitter is probably more of a threat to the scum late-game than a Tracker/Jailkeeper

so a tracker kill tonight is probably a bad move even for scum.

[Fizz Raab]

The problem is I don't understand the categories of the setups as there are so many of them and I get left confused as hell. There's a reason why I don't and it's to do with my learning difficulty that I have trouble understanding things. Sometimes I need to be beaten over the damn head so many times until I get it.

I never played any of those games you stated or anywhere for that matter. So yeah, I'm keeping my mouth shut for now until I get more reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

The problem is I don't understand the categories of the setups as there are so many of them and I get left confused as hell. There's a reason why I don't and it's to do with my learning difficulty that I have trouble understanding things. Sometimes I need to be beaten over the damn head so many times until I get it.

I never played any of those games you stated or anywhere for that matter. So yeah, I'm keeping my mouth shut for now until I get more reads.

That makes sense, apologies for getting so frustrated.
If you look at that table, one of the red roles are selected at random (roleblocker/rolecop/goons) and then one of the green pairs are selected below that role at random.

In this setup a RoleCop was selected meaning one of the three pairs below that are selected as well.
That being one of these three:

• Friendly Neighbour + Jailkeeper
  
• Friendly Neighbour + Tracker
  
• Tracker + Doctor

And since there's a Friendly Neighbour dead, it cannot be the last one. Does that make sense?

[JacksonVirgo]

A Mafia Goon (A mafia with no other ability other than killing and talking to the other mafia) is paired with whatever red role was chosen on the table.

And the rest of the players are given Vanilla Townie role cards, which are Towns that have no other ability.

[Fizz Raab]

Yes, I think I fully understand now. It's all good and apologies again for screwing up and causing frustration.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so the scum pool has officially shrunk again. But I am having doubts all are in the group of three of Ahri/Irish/Wheme.

[JacksonVirgo]

If Fizz is scum claiming that, it's pretty safe to counter-claim here but you can always wait until at least tomorrow to get one more result in etc.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Mod

Andante/Irish needs prodding

[Andante]

I'm here sorry, yall have just pissed me off from day 1, like, I wannt vote Wheme and move on, I already told you it's Wheme/Skitter

[GrandpaMo]

Fizz Raab are all the possible scum from my current reads and all except one is posting really. This is bad, that and we missed one elim which is probably crucial.

Can you explain to me why I'm scum when I know clearly you're town from the action I had last night? I don't think you saw that post so how can I be scum if I claimed you as town?

ur claiming two things here. this isn't a jailkeeper claim. you are either claiming mafia rolecop or implying tracker.

[GrandpaMo]

again @fizz are you rolecop? i still want you to fully claim since you basically outted ur self.

[JacksonVirgo]

again @fizz are you rolecop? i still want you to fully claim since you basically outted ur self.

No do not make them claim.

[JacksonVirgo]

The effectiveness of both Tracker/Jailkeeper is the exact same. It clears a user the exact same, but one cannot outright guilty someone unlike the other.

• Jailkeeper + Kill -> The target did not perform the kill, as the kill would have been blocked. Objective 50% clear, reads may change that.
  
• Tracker + No Visit Result -> The target did not perform the kill. Objective 50% clear, reads may change that.
  
• Jailkeeper + No Kill -> The target either was saved from a kill or was blocked from doing the kill. Objective 50% guilty, reads may change that.
  
• Tracker + Visited kill target -> Target almost 100% killed them, unless another PR exists that visited them.
  
• Tracker + Visit elsewhere -> You either caught the other town PR or caught the scum PR.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am curious of a discrepancy I have just realised from Fizz.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am curious of a discrepancy I have just realised from Fizz.

Actually no this can wait