Mini Normal 2199: Baseball (Over)

[DkKoba]

I actually worded it in that way on purpose to gauge the reaction

[Not_Mafia]

What do you think of her reaction then?

[DkKoba]

It says a lot about our society

[KittyTacky]

No I don't really see Sam being likely town here.

Answer this question, Koba. Why would scum!Elsa accuse a townie before ELo? It would just result in an 1f1. Thus, Sam is likely to be scum here, and even if she isn't her death will not be in vain as then Elsa dies tomorrow. We vote Sam today.

[KittyTacky]

Or as NM said they're both scum distancing which I'm contemplating more and more.

[KittyTacky]

Or Sam is town and scum!Elsa horribly misplayed. In which case we still get something good out of this.

[KittyTacky]

But Elsa is an experienced player, that's unlikely.

[KittyTacky]

I'm much more inclined to do Sam first, on a second thought. I doubt Elsa would accuse Sam like that if she was scum as that means she is doomed tomorrow = 1 for 1 which is bad for scum.

Its 1 lim to lylo - it would be a good strat to fake a guilty esp in the situation that elsa is in post norwee red flip.

How? If Elsa is red she gets flipped tomorrow. It's not a good strat.

[samantha97]

How? If Elsa is red she gets flipped tomorrow. It's not a good strat.

buying a day is always a good strategy? they were on the chopping block to begin with, and plausible deniability can buy someone more than one day if they're lucky

your argument is essentially "why would mafia lie?" lol

I'mma pose the same question to you kitty:
do you really think there are 2 town motion detectors with a cop that just roams free? that'd mean there's an unclaimed/fakeclaim covered mafia role that can discover the cop(checker)

but we already know from the voyeur flip that mafia had a mild-powered targeting role, which meshes with the simple/complex motion detectors

[KittyTacky]

See I don't believe "buying a day" helps mafia here. Elsa could have talked out of it if she was scum. But this would definitely put her on the chopping block.

As for your question: maybe? Motion detectors are pretty weak anyways especially since the ones we have are gated. It's plausible.

[samantha97]

the gating is what makes them more useful for mafia...?

[samantha97]

rereading what I wrote made me realize that if simple/complex get no result on incompatible role targets by default, then voyeur wouldn't synergize with them... right?

that's really weird cause what is the point of all the targeting roles in this setup then

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I don't think a voyeur would work particularly well with them.

I think the gimmick here are those misleading roles. Like our "checker" which actually acts like a cop.

[DkKoba]

im home. I wanna reveal that there is an optimal elimination we are not talking about - that if we flip Kitty here - it solves a lot with the game.

a) if kitty flips town, we comfortably know that there is a true cc between elsa/samantha
b)anya becomes clear and can be forced to be eliminated by scum due to putting her on another PR claim
c) if kitty flips scum, we can comfortably say that the elsa x samantha debacle is TvT and there's scum elsewhere.

i've been toying with it while i could while at work - this is like the most solve worthy elim here - the theory came about when i got lightly pinged by the change of energy coming from kitty.


tell if im crazy or no

[KittyTacky]

I mean sure. I won't get to act like a cop, unlike if we hang between Sam and Elsa tonight and hit scum. But sure.

[KittyTacky]

But wait! If you hang me today it will be ELo. If you then hang between Sam and Elsa and hit town then you lose.

[samantha97]

im home. I wanna reveal that there is an optimal elimination we are not talking about - that if we flip Kitty here - it solves a lot with the game.

tell if im crazy or no

I see that as having 2 branches to a claim and deciding to chop off 1 branch instead of going for the tree itself

[samantha97]

at the same time, those roles are prime roleblocking targets & I'm probably right about the mafia lists = 1 mafia in them thing (me/kitty/notmafia would mean kitty vs not_mafia, and I think kitty is more likely)

plus if you're a town x-shot anything why do you out that to mafia

[Elsa Jay]

im home. I wanna reveal that there is an optimal elimination we are not talking about - that if we flip Kitty here - it solves a lot with the game.

a) if kitty flips town, we comfortably know that there is a true cc between elsa/samantha
b)anya becomes clear and can be forced to be eliminated by scum due to putting her on another PR claim
c) if kitty flips scum, we can comfortably say that the elsa x samantha debacle is TvT and there's scum elsewhere.

i've been toying with it while i could while at work - this is like the most solve worthy elim here - the theory came about when i got lightly pinged by the change of energy coming from kitty.


tell if im crazy or no

The worst part is this is what I was thinking. It's even better tbh.

I know I'm good so flipping Kitty is as good as anything. If he flips scum that means Anya is lying and we got both the last scum. If Kitty flips town that means scum don't have a roleblocker of their own and it's Samantha no matter what.

Yeah at this point I give up thinking Koba is bad they just literally play a completely different way than me. So that leaves me with Anya/Flip/NotMaf after that. But again that's assuming Sam isn't bad.

We can kill Sam and hope they flip scum but that still leaves Kitty around as a possible scum Roleblocker along with me and Anya. And I know for sure if Sam dies as scum I'll die... Wait. Then me flipping means everyone’ll go after Anya?

Welp. Talked myself into going after Sam or Kitty today no matter what. Who started that NotMaf wagon earlier?

[samantha97]

If Kitty flips town that means scum don't have a roleblocker of their own and it's Samantha no matter what

no, that ignores the possibility of both mafia and town roleblockers coexisting

[KittyTacky]

Well since I am confirmed town to myself I think we should go after Sam.

Plus I have been pushing a scum (Norwe) since day 1...

[Elsa Jay]

If Kitty flips town that means scum don't have a roleblocker of their own and it's Samantha no matter what

no, that ignores the possibility of both mafia and town roleblockers coexisting

Is that a thing that happens often in Normals? Seems unlikely too me. Atleast with the current setup speculating.

[samantha97]

Is that a thing that happens often in Normals? Seems unlikely too me. Atleast with the current setup speculating.

I have no clue at all how likely it is but I assume that it's not likely too

[samantha97]

Well since I am confirmed town to myself I think we should go after Sam.

Plus I have been pushing a scum (Norwe) since day 1...

btw your mindset should be wanting to go after elsa

just a tip, I know it can be hard to fake a town mindset

[KittyTacky]

I'm not going after Elsa for reasons I explained. An 1f1 does not benefit mafia in this situation.