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[osuka]

NONSENSE! IT'S DADDY

[Andante]

andante how do you handle pressure in chat mafia (you're the one who said you played that, right?)

haha that's easier cause I now the game is like 20 minutes long, and after that I can just stop playing... this?? it's like IRL days/weeks of pressure lol I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

[Andante]

tbh if osuka and pooky were scum partners, I feel like they'd be having the time of their lives based on their personalities lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I always have the time of my life

VOTE: Lemons

we kill Gandalf today

join me forces of evil

[InsidiousLemons]

I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

can you expand on this? how do you think your reaction to pressure differs as scum?

[Save The Dragons]

I always have the time of my life

VOTE: Lemons

we kill Gandalf today

join me forces of evil

yeah i don't think this is happening

[Andante]

I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

can you expand on this? how do you think your reaction to pressure differs as scum?

uhhh not really, too hard to explain, I'm gonna go play in the snow (we have a snow storm right now) and when I'm back I'm ISOing Haschel, and if he's been here for 5 days with no content, I'm voting him, would rather keep people who try.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Pooky

[InsidiousLemons]

I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

can you expand on this? how do you think your reaction to pressure differs as scum?

uhhh not really, too hard to explain, I'm gonna go play in the snow (we have a snow storm right now) and when I'm back I'm ISOing Haschel, and if he's been here for 5 days with no content, I'm voting him, would rather keep people who try.

I always have the time of my life

VOTE: Lemons

we kill Gandalf today

join me forces of evil

@mod why are there so many jesters in this setup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Pooky

Shocking

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Pooky

will you explain this vote for me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the vote reeks of fear and desperation

[Green Crayons]

Green Crayons, will you be the first of my Nazgûl ? To ride forth and terrorize the land in my name?

do you pay union rates?

[Green Crayons]

i kind of want to get annihilated by pooky

sir this is a family game

[Green Crayons]

if you were joking the whole time then why separate the post into two parts? why say "but for real?"

pretty sure if this is noobscum the "but for real" clause is also supposed to be joking

[Green Crayons]

also strange to me that you only back up your null reads and don't mention your, you know, actual reads

agree with this point.

[Green Crayons]

one of my rules is no posts over 10 lines.

all hail Pooky, our new supreme overlord

[Green Crayons]

I changed my mind, Andante is town. Deal with it.

what's the post that did it for you?

[Robert M Hunter]

I changed my mind, Andante is town. Deal with it.

what's the post that did it for you?

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[Save The Dragons]

you may have gotten sucked in by an AtE

why pooky?

[Green Crayons]

you may have gotten sucked in by an AtE

agree. neither of those two were the post that gave me pause.

[Andante]

Dragons is scum. I'm pretty certain there

[Save The Dragons]

but who are you voting for

[InsidiousLemons]

so I have determined. there's not a scum read I'm super confident in at this point in time.

[...]

I think it was crayons or dragon I was feeling was weird, idk. I don't even remember what I told yall last night, should probably start there

this andante is very unsure of any reads at all.

Save The Dragons - Sus

then they "collect their thoughts" and decide dragons is sus, without providing any reasoning. when prompted, they have this to say:

@Dragon, I'll elaborate on you,
It's lines like these, they have no content to them... your cat thing feels so weird, and like "you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote" for context this came immediately after you voted me. None of your lines feel like you're trying to find scum.

do you just hate cats?

you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote

so i'm wondering if you're just allergic to cats or something i dunno

These VFP lines, you're implying VFP is your TR, and you don't understand why someone SRs them. Why not give why you think VFP is town? engage in a conversation about it, give the side you see, compare notes, etc. Like, reading your ISO, most lines are just responding to osuka, or lines like this, that seem to be going in no direction. You throw out questions like this, never return to them to follow up!!! It literally feels like maf to me, reading more into you here, I'd move you from sus to scum tbh. Town that's trying to find scum would ask relevant questions, then return to them, if you out a tr/sr, doesn't it make sense to talk to someone who's outing an opposite read from you?? idk, it feels like you're trying to go no where with all your posts.

why exactly did you think VFP was scummy again?

do you have anything else on VFP?

to be fair, pawns wasn't giving dragons much to go off of. the conversation, of which here you provide only one side, feels more to me like save the dragons attempting to have the type of conversation you're talking about and getting very little in return. don't get me wrong, certainly not the most insightful posts in std's iso, but i don't find anything here that really merits a scumread on its own.

they continue:

looking at #354 (idk if this link works.... testing..)
looking at #354, osuka is like "what's your thought on this" and you pretty much go "idk, I tr you" like, changing the topic, your lines feel really weird to me, and I'm not entirely sure why you feel so off...

this is the post in question:

what's your take on vfp's push?

I honestly haven't given it too much thought because i'm reading you as town.

I don't quite buy that being toxic makes you scum, but i have seen scum use toxicity to their ends, so i'm not sure if i agree but i don't mind the headspace they're in. 275 is a little weird because all they seem to do is say you post NAI and positive things in their PBPA. I feel like scum in that situation finds something to pin on you instead of just kind of throwing their hands up. I mean they repeat the point about toxicity being scummy but...eh?

plus i use my gut a lot and it's pinging for some people and not really for VFP at the moment.

there are 2 parts to this post -- "here's why i haven't given it much thought yet" and "here's the take itself". andante mischaracterizes this post as consisting solely of the answer to the first question ("because i'm reading osuke as town"), and ignores the meat of std's response. this post isn't changing the topic, it's responding directly to the question. of all the posts you could have quoted, why choose one where std actually brings up some pretty okay points? did you even read the whole post?

sidenote: funny enough, andante actually linked to the 354th post in the site's history, not the 354th post in this thread. i'm not sure, but i think the # is what broke it. to actually link a post from this thread by number, do this:

Code: Select all

[post]354[/post]

anyway.

taken all together, this sequence of andante's read developing on dragons looks more like them fixating on the idea of dragons being scum and cherry-picking posts that they feel support that idea (though again, the examples cited don't even really feel to me like they do that) rather than a genuine attempt to determine alignment.

what gives me pause, though, is the fact that despite all this tunneling, andante

has never even voted for save the dragons

. why do all that work if they aren't even going to push? it makes me feel like all this really could just be sloppy play blinded by emotions and genuine logical fallacy. this is what's driving me so insane. a townie who can't help but play like this is almost as useless as actual scum, but there's a small part of me that can't help feeling like there could be a player with pro-town motivations and the ability to work towards that objective lurking underneath all this (sorry) lazy and terrible play. andante,

this is why i keep pressuring you

. and if you keep avoiding it, you're only going to make me doubt that small part of me even more than i already do.

my question, then, is this: is there

anything

in the ~150 posts between 664 and 821 that has made you genuinely suspicious of dragons?

what is it that makes you "pretty certain" dragons is scum?

[InsidiousLemons]

haha I won't actually claim!!! dw. I'll get voted out before I do claim

one last point, reading back -- is this a scum slip? "i'll get voted out before i claim" implies andante wouldn't claim until they are actually eliminated. is there ever town motivation for withholding a claim until the hammer is dropped? on second reading this could almost feel like reassurance to a scumpartner, but i don't feel comfortable calling anya scum yet. still, this association is definitely worth revisiting if one of them flips.