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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just vote the dragon guy

the mod will post our official team roster at the end when we hunt him down and turn him into steak dinner

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

[Andresvmb]

I don’t believe this is your first game. I just don’t. It’s your first game, but you know to crumb a role as Tracker in your first post? Try to display humility here and claim you don’t have a solve? Push certain things with full confidence at others? Nah. Something’s way off about you.

It's my first game

here

. How is this alignment indicative anyway?

Not directly. But Andante defended you as if this was your first game of Mafia ever and you clearly didn’t correct the record immediately. Can you post links of the forum you used to play at?

[Robert M Hunter]

I'd rather turn the annoying people into steak if I'm going to vote for no reason of mine...

[Robert M Hunter]

I don’t believe this is your first game. I just don’t. It’s your first game, but you know to crumb a role as Tracker in your first post? Try to display humility here and claim you don’t have a solve? Push certain things with full confidence at others? Nah. Something’s way off about you.

It's my first game

here

. How is this alignment indicative anyway?

Not directly. But Andante defended you as if this was your first game of Mafia ever and you clearly didn’t correct the record immediately. Can you post links of the forum you used to play at?

No.

[Andresvmb]

I don’t believe this is your first game. I just don’t. It’s your first game, but you know to crumb a role as Tracker in your first post? Try to display humility here and claim you don’t have a solve? Push certain things with full confidence at others? Nah. Something’s way off about you.

It's my first game

here

. How is this alignment indicative anyway?

Not directly. But Andante defended you as if this was your first game of Mafia ever and you clearly didn’t correct the record immediately. Can you post links of the forum you used to play at?

No.

Any particular reason?

[Robert M Hunter]

I owe you nothing.

[Andresvmb]

That’s... okay then.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's not fight we are all servants of Sauron on this blessed day

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what even is your case on me, andres

that is the question people should be asking but are not asking

what is pooky's case on me? who knows, he won't say.
what is VFP's case on me? who knows, he's voting because of pooky
what is andres's case on me? i dunno, he didn't say
what is T3's case on me? I dunno, he didn't say

isn't that weird...to anyone?

Spoiler: Why we should kill STD Today

[Andresvmb]

Can you explain more?

I never responded to this. I was talking about 42, 44, as in their reactions to my initial set of posts fakeclaiming N0 cop.

Who is defending who again?

Osuka was defending VFP who at that point in time had made 2 posts. That’s what I was saying wasn’t worth defending much.

This is just for completeness.

[osuka]

Spoiler:

I'll do it, but fuck you in advance for when you boringly and predictably call me wrong and a moron for my effort.

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This is very early in the game and Haschel is picking hard at Andres while sucking up to you. You're probably to vain to see it. He asks a question about a

subjective

judgment, then nit picks. And comes at Andres again and again.

Now I'm not sure if Haschel is sucking up to a townie and picking on another townie, or sucking up to a townie and ragging on his buddy... or buddying up to his buddy to persecute a townie... chances are it's the first scenario but anything is possible.

I don't see this coming from town.

Andres, you said that osuka's reaction seemed genuine. Can you elaborate? What would an ungenuine reaction from osuka look like?

Andres, you said that osuka's reaction seemed genuine. Can you elaborate? What would an ungenuine reaction from osuka look like?

He called me out for lying, which I obviously was since I was simply entering the game and throwing out nonsense. My perception is that osuka would have tried to buddy me if they were not being genuine. Like agreed with my post and voted the same player, or immediately placed me as Town (since I was quite obviously extending an olive branch). Instead, osuka gives me crap about putting misinformation out there. And then later, they question me for “defending them”. That seems like a Town player actually concerned about getting pocketed. So it earns a pass from me.

Mmm, that doesn't quite jibe with me. You clearly were making a joke and expected for it to be taken as a joke. Osuka's reaction of not believing you (prudent) while not acting like it was a blatant joke (not prudent at all) would be the last reaction I would expect.

I can explain what I was trying to do and you guys can tell me what you think.

I didn’t have a strong read of osuka when I first approached the game. But, last time we played, I failed to listen to them (in a way that clearly hurt the Town, since they were correct and I wasn’t), and so I wanted to let them stay in the game, provide input, and see where it lead. Yeah, they’re pretty tricky to read. But I thought I would give it a chance.

Let's talk about this. Can you explain what you mean by "letting them stay in the game"?

As an aside, the game has been open for less than 24 hours; nobody is a lurker yet. Osuka, you have more posts than the second and third most prolific posters combined. Dial it down.

Let's talk about this. Can you explain what you mean by "letting them stay in the game"?

Not voting for them and asking for their thoughts.

That is a bizarre way to view the effect of a single vote. But putting that aside, can you show me where you actually ask for their thoughts?

PREVIEW EDIT re 225: Osuka don't you dare comment on this.

That is a bizarre way to view the effect of a single vote. But putting that aside, can you show me where you actually ask for their thoughts?

Did you expect to directly ask: can you give me your thoughts on x?

Yes, I do expect that.

Because I haven’t done that.

Ah.

I did however suggest that we vote the player asking for more votes on them. That’s me directly wanting to interact with someone.

That's not you trying to learn Osuka's thoughts; that you trying to get Osuka to go along with your thoughts.

You could just read my posts also.

I did, which is why I asked the question.

from the top:
i think 108 is actually an excellent question. 222 is where it starts to get a little strange, but 222 alone isnt enough for me to say that slot is scum. 235 i think is a post that comes across as a really forced push, but again: is that all there is? that's not enough to really convince me that we should choose this slot as exec d1. i'm probably willing to compromise here, but do you have anything after the rep in?

[osuka]

VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

I would vote T3 here... that slot has just had no significant contribution, half me just feels we'd be better just killing it, and living with the consequence of it, cause like, we can't make a read off nothing... at least everyone here has had something relevant, that slot? is a mess...

VOTE: T3

Like this is the sequence. Just when you’ve been fighting Pooky who is the alternative to STD. Do you not see the obvious here?

And you won't vote T3, and osuka won't vote T3... maybe that's what we should be looking at.

nice misrep

i said i don't want to flashtrain that slot but i never said i wasn't willing to vote it and in fact, i _am_ willing to compromise on it and i would rather exec that slot than go into n1 without an exec, so if it comes down to that you'll have my vote. there's two days left so it shouldn't be the case here, which is why i'm prodding you to explain better why you sound so confident that that slot is scum

[osuka]

what even is your case on me, andres

Just look at your ISO. You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or everyone I TR at least. Your push on me was bad, but you dropped it when you realized I was being TR. And then what did you do? You went to push Andante. I mean that alone is enough for me wanting to get you executed. You’re also strongly defending RMH who is Scummy as all hell.

??????

i've townread you all game andres, don't make me change my mind

[Andresvmb]

what even is your case on me, andres

Just look at your ISO. You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or everyone I TR at least. Your push on me was bad, but you dropped it when you realized I was being TR. And then what did you do? You went to push Andante. I mean that alone is enough for me wanting to get you executed. You’re also strongly defending RMH who is Scummy as all hell.

??????

i've townread you all game andres, don't make me change my mind

Why?

[osuka]

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

?????????

why are you sheeping pooky again all of a sudden? didn't you wanna lynch the lurker?

[osuka]

Who is defending who again?

Osuka was defending VFP who at that point in time had made 2 posts. That’s what I was saying wasn’t worth defending much.

???

if memory serves (and i think memory does), i was ripping into vfp since the very beginning because that slot decided to come right out of the gate saying the stupidest shit on the planet

[osuka]

what even is your case on me, andres

Just look at your ISO. You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or everyone I TR at least. Your push on me was bad, but you dropped it when you realized I was being TR. And then what did you do? You went to push Andante. I mean that alone is enough for me wanting to get you executed. You’re also strongly defending RMH who is Scummy as all hell.

??????

i've townread you all game andres, don't make me change my mind

Why?

pushing your townreads = they're scum? what the fuck?

[osuka]

that's a pretty weird post

[Andresvmb]

what even is your case on me, andres

Just look at your ISO. You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or everyone I TR at least. Your push on me was bad, but you dropped it when you realized I was being TR. And then what did you do? You went to push Andante. I mean that alone is enough for me wanting to get you executed. You’re also strongly defending RMH who is Scummy as all hell.

??????

i've townread you all game andres, don't make me change my mind

Why?

pushing your townreads = they're scum? what the fuck?

I understand you don’t like that way of forming a worldview, and you criticized Asteria for it. I get that. But I see a lot of reasons to want to SR Robert and STD beyond just that. It’s not strictly that they’ve pushed my TR’s because Insidious has done it at times for instance but I wouldn’t argue Insidious is Scum (their thought process, reactions, and posting just all seem to come from a Scum mindset). It’s the reasoning that’s being used that triggers me.

[Andresvmb]

their thought process, reactions, and posting just all seem to come from a Scum mindset)

I meant to say Town mindset, and that was my reasoning for TR’ing Insidious actually.

[osuka]

okay now we’re getting somewhere

can you point to where the reasoning started to tick you off

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait what lurker do you want to kill

[Andresvmb]

Well, if you’ll allow me to be a bit self-centered, Save The Dragons has tried to frame my aggressiveness as potentially coming from Scum for a while this game (no, they don’t know my meta at all, and it’s a weak as hell argument anyway). You described the bulk of my early posting as Towny in 779, and they immediately casted suspicion over your conclusion in 846.

Could I be wrong? Sure. Maybe I need to calibrate my read for his playstyle. Or maybe my gut has caught scum. Who knows?

And just for someone who really doesn’t know my alignment, they do seem oddly insistent on voting my slot, and casting doubt on others TR’ing me.

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Also, there was some strange coordination that I picked up backing away from my slot when I demonstrated some frustration around 532, 533. And the coordinated voting for T3, the joint SR’ing of Andante (before Andante revealed the potential for a Claim), they all don’t make sense from players that have also expressed Scum Reads of each other.

I mean, I do mean it, RMH is Scummy as all hell. Their two reads lists, lack of activity until they’re pushed, sudden turnaround on Andante before the claim was clear (but only after it was obvious they were a PR), it’s almost too obvious.

[osuka]

i agree that rmh is fairly scummy, but can you really justify execing a tracker claim d1?