Newbie 2061 | Views of Tallinn | Town wins

[VFP]

423 is scummy. Cat boi looks to be testing the waters with this post.
I'm not sure why they don't just vote my slot before the replace in though as I read their ISO as convenient or safe. Maybe town credit here.

@Catboi

What makes NM scum possibility to you after 27?

[VFP]

T3
iN3krO

Meuh

NM

marcistar
catboi

Pearofclubs

Spoiler: Pear

So the entrance seemed a bit over explained in 40 and the being late part seems odd. 52 is more over explaining, as if trying to come accross as town.
62 / 64 is just trying to look busy while attempting to do nothing other than say "This person made a post that could or could not be scummy".
86 Second time to use the excuse of a new player being nervouse to justify not making a read, and again this entire post is just over explained and empty.
98 At first this looked like a really good post. Placing players as town / scum, giving reasons (even if they are just filler), and even asking Ink3ro a bunch of questions. However, there's no follow up when Ink3ro doesn't answer these? Even mentions that they want to see Ink3ro's response128 Which suggests that these were just to look busy and shade.
124 / 145 / 166 - Just filler again.
Back to 128 and this is just another post to post point.
134 This is the first post which I don't mind so much. Still could be seen as a convenient vote but minor credit for not just sitting on Ink3ro.
190 goes back into the scummy pile as the top part just seems reaching for a reason. The bottom part is just again overly explained to just say Null as if they are worried how to word it.
209Is what makes me think the read on Catboi is fake. "Why do I see you not answering questions as scummy?". Keep in mind that Ink3ro has posted again at this point and hasn't answered 98, yet Pear doesn't see this as scummy, even though it's the same reason. If this is what pings Pear to find scum, then this would be a prime place to point the finger. Ink3ro has jsut gone off the radar in Pear's peach, as has majority of the players by this point, and yet I still don't understand the full case here on Catboi.
305 / 306 - This is just a full speculation post that is shading Norwegianboyee for things that should be NAI. This is also shortly after NM puts Catboi to E2, Pear just seems to want to jump off. The entire explanation is once again, you guessed it, over explained. The only times that Pear is over explaining is when first entering the game or when putting shade on someone. If their filler posts had additional details in I could see it as a play style. It was a strange flip to even go down this path to your biggest town read with no progression read until this point.
376 I just read it as Pear has a lim going and is going for the LAMIST appeal with the last line.
378 feels strange and a scum flip just makes me suspect Catboi here.
385 / 419 - Empty posts. Even more so for 419 as there's a lot of words there to only basically copy 134. However, the 4th part is Pear knowing that this is a green flip and trying to play the LAMIST again for being "legitimately surprised". This is not a town mindset and that reasoning is poor for this entire case.
421 This post is wierd and looks as if they want to blame T3 going forward. 424 if NM was going to pop up and do it why would it matter if T3 did instead? It just seems like shading to take some of the blame off before a flip has even happened. If Pear was confident here it would be a more believable post.
450 And here is more shading to T3, including the hammer. For someone who was willing to take the back lash, T3 being hammer seems to be a thing here, right?

Conclusion?
Pear ignores every player in the game day 1 other than the person they are 'pushing'. Keep in mind there is no pushing, no sorting and no actual scum hunting.
Catboi getting to E2 and then Pear jumping ship doesn't look good for these 2 slots. Keep in mind, there was no follow up on any previous read. Most players were null.

NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

The main issue I have with Scum Pear is how many players can be their scum buddy here.

VOTE: Pearofclubs

[catboi]

423 is scummy. Cat boi looks to be testing the waters with this post.
I'm not sure why they don't just vote my slot before the replace in though as I read their ISO as convenient or safe. Maybe town credit here.

@Catboi

What makes NM scum possibility to you after 27?

I fairly already explained why I thought he might be scum - he was merely declaring reads rather than outright voting them.

On a kneejerk level I heavily disagree with a pearofclubs vote

[catboi]

I don't think VFP posting that case is scummy though and I actually feel good about my hesitance to vote that slot.

[T3]

T3
iN3krO

Meuh

NM

marcistar
catboi

Pearofclubs

Spoiler: Pear

So the entrance seemed a bit over explained in 40 and the being late part seems odd. 52 is more over explaining, as if trying to come accross as town.
62 / 64 is just trying to look busy while attempting to do nothing other than say "This person made a post that could or could not be scummy".
86 Second time to use the excuse of a new player being nervouse to justify not making a read, and again this entire post is just over explained and empty.
98 At first this looked like a really good post. Placing players as town / scum, giving reasons (even if they are just filler), and even asking Ink3ro a bunch of questions. However, there's no follow up when Ink3ro doesn't answer these? Even mentions that they want to see Ink3ro's response128 Which suggests that these were just to look busy and shade.
124 / 145 / 166 - Just filler again.
Back to 128 and this is just another post to post point.
134 This is the first post which I don't mind so much. Still could be seen as a convenient vote but minor credit for not just sitting on Ink3ro.
190 goes back into the scummy pile as the top part just seems reaching for a reason. The bottom part is just again overly explained to just say Null as if they are worried how to word it.
209Is what makes me think the read on Catboi is fake. "Why do I see you not answering questions as scummy?". Keep in mind that Ink3ro has posted again at this point and hasn't answered 98, yet Pear doesn't see this as scummy, even though it's the same reason. If this is what pings Pear to find scum, then this would be a prime place to point the finger. Ink3ro has jsut gone off the radar in Pear's peach, as has majority of the players by this point, and yet I still don't understand the full case here on Catboi.
305 / 306 - This is just a full speculation post that is shading Norwegianboyee for things that should be NAI. This is also shortly after NM puts Catboi to E2, Pear just seems to want to jump off. The entire explanation is once again, you guessed it, over explained. The only times that Pear is over explaining is when first entering the game or when putting shade on someone. If their filler posts had additional details in I could see it as a play style. It was a strange flip to even go down this path to your biggest town read with no progression read until this point.
376 I just read it as Pear has a lim going and is going for the LAMIST appeal with the last line.
378 feels strange and a scum flip just makes me suspect Catboi here.
385 / 419 - Empty posts. Even more so for 419 as there's a lot of words there to only basically copy 134. However, the 4th part is Pear knowing that this is a green flip and trying to play the LAMIST again for being "legitimately surprised". This is not a town mindset and that reasoning is poor for this entire case.
421 This post is wierd and looks as if they want to blame T3 going forward. 424 if NM was going to pop up and do it why would it matter if T3 did instead? It just seems like shading to take some of the blame off before a flip has even happened. If Pear was confident here it would be a more believable post.
450 And here is more shading to T3, including the hammer. For someone who was willing to take the back lash, T3 being hammer seems to be a thing here, right?

Conclusion?
Pear ignores every player in the game day 1 other than the person they are 'pushing'. Keep in mind there is no pushing, no sorting and no actual scum hunting.
Catboi getting to E2 and then Pear jumping ship doesn't look good for these 2 slots. Keep in mind, there was no follow up on any previous read. Most players were null.

NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

The main issue I have with Scum Pear is how many players can be their scum buddy here.

VOTE: Pearofclubs

That makes sense to me. I originally thought you or in3/marci but I don't see much marci pear interaction going on. I tred pear for the:Fair point, I'll think.
I think I will keep my.vote where itis right now.

[Pearofclubs]

To give some response to your comments, VFP.

I'm sorry that you feel I over explain when I'm pushing someone. Is that actually a scumtell? I think I've done it in every mafia game I've ever been in, town or not. A quick glance at my meta ought to confirm that. I don't really know what to tell you, I write how I write

As for the Norwee theory. I stand by how I felt in that moment. It's really easy to point out how I'm wrong now that it's over and done with, but at that time I

legitimately believed that his actions made more sense coming from scum

. And the only person to call it out for being shaky at that moment iirc was Norwee. I can't exactly take gameplay advice from someone I think is mafia.

That being said. Let's discuss this bit :
"This is just a full speculation post that is shading Norwegianboyee for things that should be NAI. This is also shortly after NM puts Catboi to E2, Pear just seems to want to jump off."

It's 'shading' because he turned out to be town, and you've convinced yourself I'm scum. I left the Catboi wagon because I was more interested in my theory on Norwee. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? My interest in Cat was flimsy at that point anyway, the only real reason I was going after him was to get him to start talking more. Up until I started suspecting Norwee, Ink was my main scumread and he was at E-2. I didn't want to put him at E-1 with N-M around just because I wasn't happy with where I was.

The 'empty posts' you complain about seemed pretty common from everyone here day one. It was very slow. Maybe you had to be here for it. I don't know, people did comment on it quite a few times.

I'm less convinced than Catboi that this is a townie read, you seem to be stretching the truth in a lot of places to support it. I don't remember who you replaced, but I'm definitely going to have to go back through the thread and look your slot over again. With two people in there, there ought to be some clues if you're

less than townie.

I'll post some more tomorrow, after another read

[VFP]

@Pear

what's your reads now on Catboi, marcistar, and iN3krO?

You haven't pushed anyone in this day, and even T3 you seem to be sitting on before casting a vote.
Your argument above does nothing for me.
"Sorry I over explain"
"The push would have looked good if I got scum"
"Everyone had empty posts day 1"
"I want to OMGUS you here but I'm scared to"

Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.
I'll go through this when I'm at my PC later.

[Not_Mafia]

VFP- Very Fully Part of the mafia

[VFP]

I prefer Very Fake Player!

[lendunistus]

iN3krO and marcistar have been prodded.

[T3]

VFP, thoughts onmarci?

[Meuh]

Will have time to post in the evening

[iN3krO]

I'll try to read marcistar and pears isos by tonight so I can try and understand the push on them.

It kinda surprises me that VFP has T3 as a strong town read, I'm mostly aprehensive by T3 playstyle. The way he hastly wrote VFP off as an unreadable player rubbed me the wrong way.

[marcistar]

I'm sorry guys I was too pissed to play yesterday ;-; my brothers so annoying
In much better vibes today but its so hard to not jam out to my weeb songs

Really? What are your reads right now?

I think t3's lil push for jailor to out is kinda scummy, also how he hammered norwegianboyee so soon after he entered the game... just feels like he didn't wanna give the effort to give in depth reads
Otherwise, i'm not really sure.. but I think vfp feel kinda weird idk how to explain well, but like... well I just don't really like what he's done so far. since I townread pearofclubs, his read on them didn't really sit right with me originally. His thoughts could be valid tho, since he has an outsiders pov on it and wasn't there in the moments.. But idk it just seems to be pushing at really nothing..? Pearofclubs would be such an easy push for a scum to make without getting blood on their hands, since they're majorly townread.

So like my order would prob be t3 -> vfp -> catboi -> not mafia -> pearofclubs -> meuh

[T3]

I'll try to read marcistar and pears isos by tonight so I can try and understand the push on them.

It kinda surprises me that VFP has T3 as a strong town read, I'm mostly aprehensive by T3 playstyle. The way he hastly wrote VFP off as an unreadable player rubbed me the wrong way.

The unreadable wasa joke.

[Meuh]

I'll try to read marcistar and pears isos by tonight so I can try and understand the push on them.

It kinda surprises me that VFP has T3 as a strong town read, I'm mostly aprehensive by T3 playstyle. The way he hastly wrote VFP off as an unreadable player rubbed me the wrong way.

The unreadable wasa joke.

Making jokes with your teammate right as they joined, I see...

[Pearofclubs]

Spoiler:

@Pear

what's your reads now on Catboi, marcistar, and iN3krO?

You haven't pushed anyone in this day, and even T3 you seem to be sitting on before casting a vote.
Your argument above does nothing for me.
"Sorry I over explain"
"The push would have looked good if I got scum"
"Everyone had empty posts day 1"
"I want to OMGUS you here but I'm scared to"

Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.
I'll go through this when I'm at my PC later.

1. Yes, if you read my scumgame you'll find that I similarly overexplain when I make a post I feel is important. That's what I said, except you're convienently leaving out that I did the same thing in my towngame. That was my point. If it's something I do all the time, is it a scumread? I don't really think that's the case.
2. Um, yes. It would've looked good if Norwee had flipped red...? The way you're saying it it seems like you're mocking me for having that mentality, but that isn't even what I said. This is the sort of thing that's making me wonder whether you're on the level or not. I don't feel like town would push half-truths and intentional misinterpretations so hard.
3. Everyone did have a lot of empty posts day one...? You're acting like it's a silly thing to say, but it's true. If everyone's doing something in a game, you can't single someone out and say it's AI for them.
4. It's not OMGUS because in spite of your questionable behavior while scumhunting, I don't actually think you're scum as of right now. I didn't SR Sama, and that's affecting my opinion of your slot. After all, if I want to call you mafia, I have to be able to justify what I've seen out of Sama as a mafia player. Maybe another read'll change that but as of now I think you're okay.

I'll answer your questions, but I just want to put it out there that I'm fully aware you're asking it less for my actual insight and more to get ideas about who my partner is, because you've

totally caught me.

Marcistar- If Marci is mafia then likely N-M is also. She defended him from the notion of a policy vote early on, and town!marci might do that, but scum!marci would be pretty unlikely to unless N-M is her partner. As for her own work, I stand by my prior assessment that I can't really remember much that she's done, despite at this moment she has 48 posts, which is the fourth most in the thread. I take notes on other players when something pings me (although I'll fully admit this past week I've been pretty busy/lazy about this game) and I don't really have all that much about her. I'd somewhat forgotten she was playing. That's bad.

Catboi- Upon glancing back over Cat's meta I'm fairly sure he's town at this point. I didn't like his lack of posting at the beginning of the game but he really opened up and started putting in some work. He questioned my theory when it started catching on, he wanted to slow things down and get as much information out of Norwee as possible at the end of the day. I like the push on marci at this moment. As mentioned above, it makes sense, it's just not something I ever noticed. She flew beneath my radar.

I think Marci's a good place to look today. VOTE: Marcistar
It really isn't helping that she's not around now.

[Meuh]

Taking a shot somewhere between Marci/N_M today does seem like a solid idea to me and I think their flips would be telling on the other's alignment, especially red ones.

[Meuh]

T3
iN3krO

Meuh

NM

marcistar
catboi

Pearofclubs

Spoiler: Pear

So the entrance seemed a bit over explained in 40 and the being late part seems odd. 52 is more over explaining, as if trying to come accross as town.
62 / 64 is just trying to look busy while attempting to do nothing other than say "This person made a post that could or could not be scummy".
86 Second time to use the excuse of a new player being nervouse to justify not making a read, and again this entire post is just over explained and empty.
98 At first this looked like a really good post. Placing players as town / scum, giving reasons (even if they are just filler), and even asking Ink3ro a bunch of questions. However, there's no follow up when Ink3ro doesn't answer these? Even mentions that they want to see Ink3ro's response128 Which suggests that these were just to look busy and shade.
124 / 145 / 166 - Just filler again.
Back to 128 and this is just another post to post point.
134 This is the first post which I don't mind so much. Still could be seen as a convenient vote but minor credit for not just sitting on Ink3ro.
190 goes back into the scummy pile as the top part just seems reaching for a reason. The bottom part is just again overly explained to just say Null as if they are worried how to word it.
209Is what makes me think the read on Catboi is fake. "Why do I see you not answering questions as scummy?". Keep in mind that Ink3ro has posted again at this point and hasn't answered 98, yet Pear doesn't see this as scummy, even though it's the same reason. If this is what pings Pear to find scum, then this would be a prime place to point the finger. Ink3ro has jsut gone off the radar in Pear's peach, as has majority of the players by this point, and yet I still don't understand the full case here on Catboi.
305 / 306 - This is just a full speculation post that is shading Norwegianboyee for things that should be NAI. This is also shortly after NM puts Catboi to E2, Pear just seems to want to jump off. The entire explanation is once again, you guessed it, over explained. The only times that Pear is over explaining is when first entering the game or when putting shade on someone. If their filler posts had additional details in I could see it as a play style. It was a strange flip to even go down this path to your biggest town read with no progression read until this point.
376 I just read it as Pear has a lim going and is going for the LAMIST appeal with the last line.
378 feels strange and a scum flip just makes me suspect Catboi here.
385 / 419 - Empty posts. Even more so for 419 as there's a lot of words there to only basically copy 134. However, the 4th part is Pear knowing that this is a green flip and trying to play the LAMIST again for being "legitimately surprised". This is not a town mindset and that reasoning is poor for this entire case.
421 This post is wierd and looks as if they want to blame T3 going forward. 424 if NM was going to pop up and do it why would it matter if T3 did instead? It just seems like shading to take some of the blame off before a flip has even happened. If Pear was confident here it would be a more believable post.
450 And here is more shading to T3, including the hammer. For someone who was willing to take the back lash, T3 being hammer seems to be a thing here, right?

Conclusion?
Pear ignores every player in the game day 1 other than the person they are 'pushing'. Keep in mind there is no pushing, no sorting and no actual scum hunting.
Catboi getting to E2 and then Pear jumping ship doesn't look good for these 2 slots. Keep in mind, there was no follow up on any previous read. Most players were null.

NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

The main issue I have with Scum Pear is how many players can be their scum buddy here.

VOTE: Pearofclubs

This post doesn't really change my mind on Pear. The only real point against Pear I agree with is the lack of interaction/ignoring others, I do wish they had talked more directly. Calling Pear's early posts fluff or empty is extremely weak to me considering they were some of the meatiest content we had up to that point. You can always put on conf bias glasses on a reread and see the scumminess in posts and I can see

why

you think some of the things you do, but it doesn't really click to me. Shooting Pear today seems like a bad call.
Oh actually another point that makes sense is the scum team versatility and while that is true, I can't justify going after someone who looks town otherwise just because of this.

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

@Pear

what's your reads now on Catboi, marcistar, and iN3krO?

You haven't pushed anyone in this day, and even T3 you seem to be sitting on before casting a vote.
Your argument above does nothing for me.
"Sorry I over explain"
"The push would have looked good if I got scum"
"Everyone had empty posts day 1"
"I want to OMGUS you here but I'm scared to"

Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.
I'll go through this when I'm at my PC later.

Spoiler:

1. Yes, if you read my scumgame you'll find that I similarly overexplain when I make a post I feel is important. That's what I said, except you're convienently leaving out that I did the same thing in my towngame. That was my point. If it's something I do all the time, is it a scumread? I don't really think that's the case.
2. Um, yes. It would've looked good if Norwee had flipped red...? The way you're saying it it seems like you're mocking me for having that mentality, but that isn't even what I said. This is the sort of thing that's making me wonder whether you're on the level or not. I don't feel like town would push half-truths and intentional misinterpretations so hard.
3. Everyone did have a lot of empty posts day one...? You're acting like it's a silly thing to say, but it's true. If everyone's doing something in a game, you can't single someone out and say it's AI for them.
4. It's not OMGUS because in spite of your questionable behavior while scumhunting, I don't actually think you're scum as of right now. I didn't SR Sama, and that's affecting my opinion of your slot. After all, if I want to call you mafia, I have to be able to justify what I've seen out of Sama as a mafia player. Maybe another read'll change that but as of now I think you're okay.

I'll answer your questions, but I just want to put it out there that I'm fully aware you're asking it less for my actual insight and more to get ideas about who my partner is, because you've

totally caught me.

Marcistar- If Marci is mafia then likely N-M is also. She defended him from the notion of a policy vote early on, and town!marci might do that, but scum!marci would be pretty unlikely to unless N-M is her partner. As for her own work, I stand by my prior assessment that I can't really remember much that she's done, despite at this moment she has 48 posts, which is the fourth most in the thread. I take notes on other players when something pings me (although I'll fully admit this past week I've been pretty busy/lazy about this game) and I don't really have all that much about her. I'd somewhat forgotten she was playing. That's bad.

Catboi- Upon glancing back over Cat's meta I'm fairly sure he's town at this point. I didn't like his lack of posting at the beginning of the game but he really opened up and started putting in some work. He questioned my theory when it started catching on, he wanted to slow things down and get as much information out of Norwee as possible at the end of the day. I like the push on marci at this moment. As mentioned above, it makes sense, it's just not something I ever noticed. She flew beneath my radar.

I think Marci's a good place to look today. VOTE: Marcistar
It really isn't helping that she's not around now.

At first I disliked the tone of this post, feeling it was a bit condescending which I generally find to be a scummy tone, but considering what Pear was replying to, being a bit condescending was very much warranted. I think this is a good reply to what VFP said.

[Meuh]

I haven't liked Marci's recent posts and considering the pressure being put on her, I'll go ahead and ISO her.

[Meuh]

I'll VOTE:

Not_Mafia

for now since I like having my vote somewhere

[marcistar]

I stand by my prior assessment that I can't really remember much that she's done, despite at this moment she has 48 posts, which is the fourth most in the thread. I take notes on other players when something pings me (although I'll fully admit this past week I've been pretty busy/lazy about this game) and I don't really have all that much about her. I'd somewhat forgotten she was playing. That's bad.

I think Marci's a good place to look today. VOTE: Marcistar
It really isn't helping that she's not around now.

Ask me things then...? I don't check the thread often anymore since i've been a bit busy with classes and such lately, but i'll still see it.. I can reply to whatever you ask

[lendunistus]

Newbie 2061 - Votecount 2.2

Votecount

marcistar (3):

T3, catboi, Pearofclubs

VFP (2):

iN3krO, Not_Mafia

Pearofclubs (1):

VFP

Not_Mafia (1):

Meuh

Not Voting (1):

marcistar

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate a player.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-04-26 22:00:00)

Vote history

T3 votes iN3krO: Post #435
iN3krO votes Samawoodo: Post #436
Not_Mafia votes catboi: Post #440
Meuh votes Samawoodo: Post #470
T3 votes marcistar: Post #471
Not_Mafia votes Samawoodo: Post #473
Meuh unvotes Samawoodo: Post #478
catboi votes marcistar: Post #482
VFP votes Pearofclubs: Post #501
Pearofclubs votes marcistar: Post #516
Meuh votes Not_Mafia: Post #521

[T3]

Pear has had a lack of interaction but has been posting content.