Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[InsidiousLemons]

she tried to claim investigation and we didn't let her because andante already took her claim lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we have a vig who isn't koba they should've counterclaimed by now right?

[VFP]

In ELo maybe. Don’t you want to make sure you don’t look suspicious as hell otherwise? Like what?

we're 1 day from elo I would hammer for lulz if I was scum

No, you getting lim tomorrow means that we lim Lemons if a traitor.
You not hammering is NAI.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

No, you getting lim tomorrow means that we lim Lemons if a traitor.
You not hammering is NAI.

nope that's not how the game works

[Andresvmb]

Pooky I have you as Null it would be great if you could help out here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I said slow down and think about the mech here

we don't need to rush today

we have 11 days.

calm down

[VFP]

p-edit because every-night roleblocker plus doctor is ludicrously scum-sided?

Roleblocker on traitor means they can't go for uniformed targets. Just because roles were given up D1 doesn't mean it's scum sided.
Mafia doc may even be x shot or something else that negates this.
I don't see the argument.

[VFP]

nope that's not how the game works

It really is.
Maybe you are town, but it's NAI.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im telling you I hammer koba 100 times out of 100 if im scum cuz i dont care about blowback

[InsidiousLemons]

uniformed targets?

also we have a week not 11 days but i think the bear is right. we can afford to pace ourselves a lil here

[VFP]

uniformed targets?

also we have a week not 11 days but i think the bear is right. we can afford to pace ourselves a lil here

For example
Traitor roleblocker may target Vig, and so might scum to kill.

I'm okay to wait and re think the spec over.
I mainly want to discuss with Clidd anyway as I know we bounce our opinions back and fourth well.

[InsidiousLemons]

but didn't we just establish traitor knows who the scum are? why would they both target vig? are they not allowed to communicate with the scum?

[InsidiousLemons]

gimme a minute im gonna read the fucking actual wiki page

[clidd]

Sorry for the absence.

Let me see what I missed.

[clidd]

i dont need to justify anything.

This already doesn’t strike me as genuine. I think you would more aggressively look to understand my perspective if you actually think I’m Town here even if I’m wrong.

okay first thing's first. i am hardclaiming

town N2 rolecop

. crumbed it in the first word(s) of each line of this post:

n two

other quick points

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role

claiming this messily after like 5 pages of softclaiming and floundering and confusion makes it pretty much unthinkable to me that andante is being anything but genuine here. my shaky but incredibly persistent gut townread had some merit to it all along dadgummit
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cop

, mafia, vig, gunsmith, etc. all have guns. given the wide range of roles that can possess guns, i don't think focusing too hard on the total number before anyone at all has flipped is going to grant us any useful setup information. i still don't truly understand why you're so convinced a traitor must be in here. again, trackers do NOT have guns, so it doesn't tell us anything about the veracity of robert's claim. why didn't you bother to verify that before going down this road?

i had hoped to get this claim in at the very start of the day to avoid the appearance of picking a side with my night result, but the late daystart meant that i fell asleep before that could happen.


i checked

PookyTheMagicalBear

in hopes of identifying him as either traitor or doc. it felt more productive than attempting to sus out a town fakeclaim.

he is confirmed vanilla townie

.

Hum.

[clidd]

My vote is completely unrelated to mechanics.

I think Town!Koba more aggressively pushes me if they disagree with me, and I think they hold their ground a lot stronger. Hammering T3 after they had already identified them as Town low hanging fruit just doesn’t sit right me. I refuse to believe this is Town Koba.

i'm not familiar with koba's meta but the attempt to defend themself has been weak so far. combine this with the fact that i can finally reveal that i essentially

KNOW for a fact

that either Asteria or Koba or both are lying about having a gun (2 gunned mafia + me + Andante = 4; 1 gunned mafia + Andante + Asteria + me = 4) and voila. the second scenario is already a bit of a stretch to me because it relies on the existence of a traitor. asteria is very possibly lying as well

VOTE: DkKoba

Ok.

[InsidiousLemons]

okay, back. i understand how the traitor works now. what was throwing me off before is that i read all the potential variations but didn't notice the normal guidelines section so i thought it was all fair game. i have to say that in that situation yeah, traitor rb might be a bit more plausible. i actually don't know why someone wouldn't counterclaim the vig at this point, so maybe there is some credibility to the roleblocker theory. but if that's the case then the only other option is you (vfp) and asteria and now i don't know what the fuck to think. it is still within the realm of possibility to me that both asteria and dk are lying but asteria has been doing a solid job of looking town to me recently. i think i need to step away and come back with a more objective perspective

[clidd]

This just makes me think Anya is a roleblocker and Lemons is actually scum here. A day 2 Rolecop would suggest that there aren't 2 Mafia docs, which would also mean that Dk and asteria are both scum. They are never going to both be scum.
The check on Pooky is odd here. But this makes Pooky town regardless for me.

I think Anya is a good lim still.

@Clidd

thoughts here?

Mech stuff isn't really my thing, honestly.

I'm having trouble understanding the inferences that lead you to RB!Anya, scum!Lemon and scumpair!Dk&Asteria.

[Anya]

asteria/dkkoba + t3? + bear??

Here’s the thing. This is a fascinating solve by Anya. Don’t you think? It heavily implies that a Traitor is present in the game. By this stage, you have a claim by Andante that there’s 4 guns, Koba is a claimed Weak Vig as per 2032, Andante is a claimed Gunsmith (but not in the solve, as per 1182, 1212), and Asteria is a claimed Neapolitan (2134). With a Mafia Doc, you know that either 2 of Asteria/Koba/Andante is Scum, or 1 is with a Traitor present. But they don’t seem to entertain the alternative at all if I’m not wrong. So if you TR Andante say, wouldn’t you speak about the entire situation, and how it could mean that both Asteria and Koba are Scum together?

i didn't see the 4 guns thing from andante

asteria and dkkoba were going for each other at the time and i felt like 1 of them was wolf

[Anya]

This is scum Anya.

get out of your swimming pool and into the ocean and see the big picture dolphin

[clidd]

Ok, I don't understand the mechanics being discussed in relation to the scum doctors and guns, so I need someone to summarize the claims and results in a simplified way.

[clidd]

Also: I'm a town one-shot detective who got a negative result on Pooky during the N1 (he didn't try to kill anyone that night).

This may be useful for the setup spec ^

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wtf thats like another gun

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba did u fake claim omg i hate you

[InsidiousLemons]

she tried to claim investigation and we didn't let her because andante already took her claim lol

*they, *them

getting my players confused, apologies koba

p-edit what the fuck is happening