Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

as soon as mena rep'd in i was like oh shit hes going to kill me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

:[

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mistakes were made :<

sorry skitts!

Also pooky 1 fark 1

>.>

love ya fark but i did not want to fight u again so i was like lets shoot him :3

[Farkran]

as soon as mena rep'd in i was like oh shit hes going to kill me

Mena was the true key to this town victory, his d2 reads were really good

[Jingle]

Traitor that doesn't know the main team is pretty rude... Jingle, is there a particular reason you chose not to have them know?

In addition to the incredible amount of power should they actually coordinate into the scum pt and thus the need to make that less likely to happen/the traitor more likely to target town, I felt that giving them arguably the most interesting role and the most difficult role to play balanced out from a fun perspective to some degree. I agree that generally speaking this type of traitor blows chunks (Doubleblind), but I saw it as a necessary evil for game balance.

Kind of like how I despise cops, but will use them if I believe it increases the value of the overall setup.

[Jingle]

Fark was JK, I copied the wrong role list. Hold on, fixing.

[skitter30]

I just want to say from my pov it was functionally 2:11 unless klick exactly joined the scum pt which seemed unlikely

It was a v cool role, and i'm sure hard to balance, but that contributes to how i viewed it

[Something_Smart]

In addition to the incredible amount of power should they actually coordinate into the scum pt and thus the need to make that less likely to happen/the traitor more likely to target town, I felt that giving them arguably the most interesting role and the most difficult role to play balanced out from a fun perspective to some degree. I agree that generally speaking this type of traitor blows chunks (Doubleblind), but I saw it as a necessary evil for game balance.

Kind of like how I despise cops, but will use them if I believe it increases the value of the overall setup.

Yeah that makes sense, I also realized after I asked this that they kinda would just be using their power on their buddies if they knew who their buddies were.

[Jingle]

I just want to say from my pov it was functionally 2:11 unless klick exactly joined the scum pt which seemed unlikely

Yes, that was the intention. This was roughly balanced as 2.3v10 setup, given that Klick was well below a full member of the scumteam and the negative aspects and positive aspects of both the 3rd party and Klick's role were intended to make it not an extra townie as it were. Town had very little in the way of actual power (Fark's role, while powerful, was unreliable at best for investigative purposes.)

There was definitely a lot of swing based on what happened with the traitor and the roles that ended up being made real, but I felt the disclaimer of bastardry made that a reasonable assumption.

I do think the scumteam suffered from being functionally the same scumteam as D&C and the demoralization from that, as well as the fact that town had basically perfect night actions D1 and Mena had incredibly accurate reads on rep in. I'm not really disappointed on the balance side of things this game, although I wish people had been a bit more open with their information. I definitely knew an outcome like this where the gimmick of the setup didn't really come into play was possible when I designed it though.

[skitter30]

Fair enuf

[Jingle]

this is a game with midgame alignment changes

which implies the scum can recruit (the only alternative being town could recruit, which makes 0 sense)

yep those are the only two possibilities
not a third-party that can recruit
not a third-party that can become town or scum
not a town role that can become third-party (or scum, I suppose)
not a complete red herring (not something I'd put past Jingle, though it is pretty unlikely)

This, btw, was my favorite post this game. All four of those things were actually things that were either in the game or that I specifically wanted people to think might be in the game.

[Something_Smart]

I wish people had been a bit more open with their information.

> runs a game called "fakeclaim mafia"
> complains that people didn't tell the truth more

[Kerset]

With 2 player scumteam i guess it was really hard to bus Chill. You bus your partner and play alone? Scum had no control during day even that they needed it as hell. It was the main reason of their deafeat.

[Kerset]

Subject: Fakeclaim Spectators

NM being in a game is literally a handicap and he should be banned

He just keeps being in my games/getting in my games so I can’t lodge a formal complaint without looking like it’s OOG influence but like seriously

well...

[Kerset]

it is hard not to agree

[Kerset]

btw Mena you were the best! Once i replaced in i was too lazy to read entire game but i knew i can trust your read

[Kerset]

Subject: Fakeclaim Spectators

So like

PP
TNK
Fark
Klick

S_S

Kerset

NM

Puppy
Skitter

Cakez

Yes! I am not the only one who suspected cakez.

[Jingle]

I wish people had been a bit more open with their information.

> runs a game called "fakeclaim mafia"
> complains that people didn't tell the truth more

What can I say, I'm a fickle and capricious Jingle.

[SirCakez]

I'm always suspected

[Almost50]

Ahem.. I won't go on and on about how awesome I am and how everything I say or do is always impressive and all. Look at me.. I won without doing a single thing and even with my reads being garbage. I am INVINCIBLE.

*Ducks flying objects*
*Hides under a rock*

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey everyone! I herein declare myself The Jester, and have therefore won this game. Goodbye!

[Jingle]

Ahem.. I won't go on and on about how awesome I am and how everything I say or do is always impressive and all. Look at me.. I won without doing a single thing and even with my reads being garbage. I am INVINCIBLE.

*Ducks flying objects*
*Hides under a rock*

A50, padding his winrate by replacing into games with Mena

[skitter30]

Ahem.. I won't go on and on about how awesome I am and how everything I say or do is always impressive and all. Look at me.. I won without doing a single thing and even with my reads being garbage. I am INVINCIBLE. :lol:

*Ducks flying objects*
*Hides under a rock*

:)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sidenote: SirCakez is still on my blacklist.

[PenguinPower]

Sorry for the replace out all - I took a promotion at work after about two weeks ago and have been traveling most days since.

Thanks A50 for taking over, and gj town.