Mini Theme 2212: Ircher's Grand Idea Mafia: SCUM WIN

[Lustice Jeague]

bah it didn't remove the chocolate colour and the first mention of xz is bugged... I blame the non-hexcode colour.

Anyway, those are the pre-flip VCAs, talk me through them Asteria.

My main concern and what I was focusing on was people who are now conftown or essentially conftown.
Cakez has 3 votes. Mine, yours, and x's. I think there's a good chance scum was voting with their buddy at some point since having multiple votes makes it easier to hide that. X was voting with you, me, vfp, cakez, robert. Everyone on that list is either conftown or near conftown from my perspective except you and vfp. I townread vfp.

If we want to look at who x was voting, that's ircher, vfp, cakez, lustice, all of which I townread.

So it all adds up

Robert
Ircher
Cakez

Lustice
VFP
Enchant
A50

Italiano
T3

Vax

Flea The Magician

Why is Vax Orange?

Why am i not green?

Why is VFP not green?

Vax is pretty hung up on Robert being a vig and it doesn't look like a towny mindset

Why should you and VFP be green? Green is conf/near conf town

About Vax, point taken and noted.

How is Ircher Conftown? SirCakez i understand it, Robert I understand it. But why Ircher and not me as well? Ircher pointed out the existence of two split-vote roles in this game, to which one would be scum.
I called out, pushed and recommended shooting one of them on the spot, so essentially Ircher and I helped ConfTown SirCakes, yet I'm at a lower group than both of them? Why?

VFP is town spewed by the mod. It's policy to read it that way and the very reason why hosts are not allowed to influence the game by validating player's emotions.
Mods are not supposed to make comments like "you were a dick to me and you were a dick to VFP and now he quit", cause that is validating a reason for quitting, one that is mod confirmed. Until that point I thought he could be town but i had a mildly suspicion that it could be an overreaction from scum!VFP after he failed to push and discredit me, so he could have quit as wolf giving up. But with the mod's comment that changed everything! Now I know his reaction was real, that it was real frustration and that he took my push personal. That is why the VFP (now Psyche) slot is now lock town.

So again, why are we not green?

[T3]

VOTE: asteria
Feels differentto the Datisi normal game.

[Asteria]

bah it didn't remove the chocolate colour and the first mention of xz is bugged... I blame the non-hexcode colour.

Anyway, those are the pre-flip VCAs, talk me through them Asteria.

My main concern and what I was focusing on was people who are now conftown or essentially conftown.
Cakez has 3 votes. Mine, yours, and x's. I think there's a good chance scum was voting with their buddy at some point since having multiple votes makes it easier to hide that. X was voting with you, me, vfp, cakez, robert. Everyone on that list is either conftown or near conftown from my perspective except you and vfp. I townread vfp.

If we want to look at who x was voting, that's ircher, vfp, cakez, lustice, all of which I townread.

So it all adds up

Robert
Ircher
Cakez

Lustice
VFP
Enchant
A50

Italiano
T3

Vax

Flea The Magician

Why is Vax Orange?

Why am i not green?

Why is VFP not green?

Vax is pretty hung up on Robert being a vig and it doesn't look like a towny mindset

Why should you and VFP be green? Green is conf/near conf town

About Vax, point taken and noted.

How is Ircher Conftown? SirCakez i understand it, Robert I understand it. But why Ircher and not me as well? Ircher pointed out the existence of two split-vote roles in this game, to which one would be scum.
I called out, pushed and recommended shooting one of them on the spot, so essentially Ircher and I helped ConfTown SirCakes, yet I'm at a lower group than both of them? Why?

VFP is town spewed by the mod. It's policy to read it that way and the very reason why hosts are not allowed to influence the game by validating player's emotions.
Mods are not supposed to make comments like "you were a dick to me and you were a dick to VFP and now he quit", cause that is validating a reason for quitting, one that is mod confirmed. Until that point I thought he could be town but i had a mildly suspicion that it could be an overreaction from scum!VFP after he failed to push and discredit me, so he could have quit as wolf giving up. But with the mod's comment that changed everything! Now I know his reaction was real, that it was real frustration and that he took my push personal. That is why the VFP (now Psyche) slot is now lock town.

So again, why are we not green?

I think you're right. I should have you up there with Ircher as well. Consider yourself green. I don't think scum worries enough about being in yellow instead of green to try to get it changed anyway.

I don't think VFP slot is conftown for that. Scum can have genuine emotions. That was all NAI.

[Asteria]

VOTE: asteria
Feels differentto the Datisi normal game.

How so

[Asteria]

Also just so you know, this is an alt and I'm trying out different things. So unless I'm different as in scummy this time then that's not really valid

[Lustice Jeague]

bah it didn't remove the chocolate colour and the first mention of xz is bugged... I blame the non-hexcode colour.

Anyway, those are the pre-flip VCAs, talk me through them Asteria.

My main concern and what I was focusing on was people who are now conftown or essentially conftown.
Cakez has 3 votes. Mine, yours, and x's. I think there's a good chance scum was voting with their buddy at some point since having multiple votes makes it easier to hide that. X was voting with you, me, vfp, cakez, robert. Everyone on that list is either conftown or near conftown from my perspective except you and vfp. I townread vfp.

If we want to look at who x was voting, that's ircher, vfp, cakez, lustice, all of which I townread.

So it all adds up

Robert
Ircher
Cakez

Lustice
VFP
Enchant
A50

Italiano
T3

Vax

Flea The Magician

Why is Vax Orange?

Why am i not green?

Why is VFP not green?

Vax is pretty hung up on Robert being a vig and it doesn't look like a towny mindset

Why should you and VFP be green? Green is conf/near conf town

About Vax, point taken and noted.

How is Ircher Conftown? SirCakez i understand it, Robert I understand it. But why Ircher and not me as well? Ircher pointed out the existence of two split-vote roles in this game, to which one would be scum.
I called out, pushed and recommended shooting one of them on the spot, so essentially Ircher and I helped ConfTown SirCakes, yet I'm at a lower group than both of them? Why?

VFP is town spewed by the mod. It's policy to read it that way and the very reason why hosts are not allowed to influence the game by validating player's emotions.
Mods are not supposed to make comments like "you were a dick to me and you were a dick to VFP and now he quit", cause that is validating a reason for quitting, one that is mod confirmed. Until that point I thought he could be town but i had a mildly suspicion that it could be an overreaction from scum!VFP after he failed to push and discredit me, so he could have quit as wolf giving up. But with the mod's comment that changed everything! Now I know his reaction was real, that it was real frustration and that he took my push personal. That is why the VFP (now Psyche) slot is now lock town.

So again, why are we not green?

I think you're right. I should have you up there with Ircher as well. Consider yourself green. I don't think scum worries enough about being in yellow instead of green to try to get it changed anyway.

I don't think VFP slot is conftown for that. Scum can have genuine emotions. That was all NAI.

That is not the point. Gosh, it's like I'm the only one that read mafia theory here, you know what? I'm not gonna keep trying to teach you all.

My Towncore

SirCakez
Ircher
VFP
Robert

[Enchant]

You forgot to include self.

Mafia claim here seems?

[T3]

VOTE: asteria
Feels differentto the Datisi normal game.

How so

Different as in scummy. So you're stil scummy.

[Lustice Jeague]

You forgot to include self.

Mafia claim here seems?

Why would I want to add myself to the list when I know I am town? Wolfy push.

[Psyche]

enchant is soo cute
sure wish mafia were that easy

[Psyche]

vax is probably interested in robert's role because of his draft

[Almost50]

Alright.. this had escaped me somewhat, but I think Robert got MY first pick... in which case I can guarantee he is TOWN, so my Town core consists of me, SCc & Robert. I have other TRs, and then I might get other TRs (or reduce one of the TRs that are not SC/Robert) before the end of the day.

[Asteria]

What makes you think he got your pick specifically? There are multiple day vig picks

[Flea The Magician]

Asteria seems people please-y to me, honestly.

"HEY I SHOULD BE CONFTOWN TOO!"
"sorry mi'lud, i agree, you're conftown"

gross exaggeration but you get the vibe.

Also loses points because apparently only town challenge their read position.

VOTE: Asteria w/e, I'm still down to VFP/psyche.

[Almost50]

What makes you think he got your pick specifically? There are multiple day vig picks

Show me one that was claimed (More than half of the players have already claimed their picks). and that's for starters. There is also another reason but I won't get into it just yet. Collectively though I am more than 90% confident this is Robert's role.

[Almost50]

FFS! I quoted 386 (3 posts above) in my 388 (the post above) and it says my quote is from 387 (Flea's post) in between, although the test is correct.

[Ircher]

"HEY I SHOULD BE CONFTOWN TOO!"
"sorry mi'lud, i agree, you're conftown"

gross exaggeration but you get the vibe.

Gross exaggeration indeed. I'm not super convinced by the Asteria reads. Sure, she doesn't have too much substance, but I can't really fault her for that. I am having as much trouble gathering reads here.

FFS! I quoted 386 (3 posts above) in my 388 (the post above) and it says my quote is from 387 (Flea's post) in between, although the test is correct.

Let this be a lesson to mods everywhere: never delete posts once someone has replied to the post. It causes strange glitches like this.
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I'll try to be back with something more substantial tomorrow. I realize this is really lacking.

i deleted the reply *first* so I thought as logn as I was attempting to delete the most recent post in-thread there would be no issues. It actually wouldn't let me delete the second post that was the then-most-recent-post and threw all kind of SQL errors. I think this is related to that tbh.

[Vaxkiller]

vax is probably interested in robert's role because of his draft

Im interested because there are day serial killers and I thought day vigs just put kill: playername in thread.

[T3]

The "I'm trying out new things here" feels like an answer that isn't really an answer.

[Psyche]

play like asteria's is always so annoying bc yeah the defense is totally weak and specious but also i've totally seen town act this way before no problem
i need deeper theoryyy

[Asteria]

Also loses points because apparently only town challenge their read position.

I don't think scum makes themselves stand out by arguing why they should be conftown instead of town.

What makes you think he got your pick specifically? There are multiple day vig picks

Show me one that was claimed (More than half of the players have already claimed their picks). and that's for starters. There is also another reason but I won't get into it just yet. Collectively though I am more than 90% confident this is Robert's role.

One of my picks has a D1 dayvig

[Lustice Jeague]

vax is probably interested in robert's role because of his draft

Im interested because there are day serial killers and I thought day vigs just put kill: playername in thread.

This is precisely why i said that i'd look into him later if he is not resolved tonight. No killer ever survives a night after claiming unless:

They are scum

Or

Scum wants them alive

[Lustice Jeague]

Also im getting a feeling that scum is comfortable with Asteria's wagon. There is no push back.
Almost feels like DADV.

Let's make them uncomfortable

VOTE: T3

[Asteria]

Works for me
VOTE: T3

[Lustice Jeague]

Works for me
VOTE: T3

Stop doing that. What do you mean it works for you?

You are playing like a jester would