Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Vasex]

My votes on the first day (as i remember):
Kitty, etine(then i realised he is town), kitty, enchant, cabd(i saved him from e-1), anastasia(...),kitty, t3, enchant, t3.
But no, i was wrong absolutely in everything, yeah. Thats why i needed to be almost elimed on day1 and criticized (by andre and ana for example). I had good reasons against kitty,enchant and t3.
Though scum team bussed a lot,so this is not just a town's fail, but good game of mafia.
Both cops are town, both cops are town again...

[Andresvmb]

most ppl were town reading me early on. I know you'll disagree but I really feel like the only reason you really really thought I was scum b/c I was fake pushing on you.

Nero go back and read when I called you out. You’re full of shit if you think I called you out because you were pushing me. Just stop.

[Nero Cain]

I feel like I played fairly well and was able to fool most in the beginning. Sure, having a partial clear on me maybe kept me alive but my scum game isn't a joke.

[Nero Cain]

oh right, you called me out for defending T3. forgot about that.

[Cabd]

Setup is balanced on paper, but relies on meta assumptions not being made, and both day and night play went mafia's way.

So hard to draw conclusions from a sample size of one.

I've noticed the normal queue lately is pushing to be more... "non traditional" where setups stay within the rules of normal but go out of their way to defy conventional setup norms.

Every time I've stepped into one expecting a 2014ish era normal, it's been a slog. Clearly the issue is me, and I'll stick to themes now.

[Enchant]

Most funny part where we shot babysitter and he hot vig with self.

[bloodhail]

traitors were legitimately advantageous for us imho

but regardless of the setup town blew through 5 consecutive townies with day eliminations when some of those really should have been avoided

[Nero Cain]

that was luck

[The Bulge]

Only one TI - half Gunsmith, who had two false innos and one false guilty.

the false innos are also mitigated by the fact traitors are endgamed as soon as the groupscum are all caught.

[Andresvmb]

Let me rephrase. I actually don’t horribly disagree that Kerset is Town. I think Marky Mark is getting too much credit here, but okay fine maybe. And their Tier 2 is all about giving some slots time which okay fine. I just wish they would have more clearly said those two players however most likely can’t co-exist in the same game. Or something of the sort. And I really SR Nero Cain so that one boggles the mind.

I think Kitty is town and thus there's scum on his wagon but @ the very least we should force all the lurkers to start posting.

And after Kitty gets to E-1 btw, nobody thought this was suspicious? This isn’t Scum posturing for a Town flip? Did anybody highlight this?

b/c you know that I'm wrong or something? I have a tendency to think that fast wagons usally hit town b/c they are full of clueless town/opportunistic scum.

there were also such GG posts

VOTE: KittyTacky

I guess i should join something VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: Kitty

im not really sure why my opinion is "scummy" unless you know that its wrong.

Sure Nero. You’re going to use the same logic Vasex is using to push me?

Here’s my vote, my logic, and then me highlighting your attack. At least get your facts straight.

[NDMath]

So this setup had
Miller with no corresponding town cop
Only one TI - half Gunsmith, who had two false innos and one false guilty.
Neighborhood with only scum in it - almost bastard mechanic

Idk who thought that town may win this.

Town also had up to 4 night kills and 2 protectives + bulletproof. The traitors could also have been nightkilled by either side.
Simple Fruit Vendor is a town investigative. Babysitter and Jailkeeper both have quasi-investigative potential.
Plus the Universal Backup.
The miller messes with the Mafia Cop.
There is nothing bastard about having 2 traitors. There is nothing bastard about putting 2 players of any alignment together in a neighbourhood. There is nothing that states that multiple traitors should be aware of each others identities. Which, mind you, is another innate advantage for the town—not only was the scumteam disjointed due to the traitor, but doubly so due to the traitors' own dilemma.
The setup is balanced.

I feel this setup was balanced at a 5-person scumteam instead of a 6-person scumteam.
Other than that I found the setup and the rest of your modding good.

[DkKoba]

2 traitors who are not informed of full team and are aware of eachother is bullshit.

uninformed parts of the scum team fuck with you.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway again I don’t care about that. This is one game I didn’t completely shit the bed and I wish I would have had a bit more influence over the Town.

[bloodhail]

that was luck

ye we got insanely lucky after the D1 mafia cop bus with hitting the universal backup too + kitty's fake inno being on a PR

[Enchant]

While i agree i played badly, if so, then town played even more horrible.

Like... Really. I so tried pretend to be town, i am now genuine pissed everyone just ignored me whole game. While that was plan, but... Eh.

[The Bulge]

also hahahaha, I only realized this like a month into my review for this setup. But I've done the double-traitor thing before years ago in a Micro that was purely for shits and ~experimentation~, so yea the mod meta was actually there for catching nero out lmao

[Nero Cain]

i think the logic was traitor=1/2 scum thus 2 traitors=1 mafia

[The Bulge]

2 traitors who are not informed of full team and are aware of eachother is bullshit.

uninformed parts of the scum team fuck with you.

they were aware of the full team, but not each other.

[The Bulge]

i think the logic was traitor=1/2 scum thus 2 traitors=1 mafia

one of my reviewers (schadd I believe) called them 0.75 each.

[Andresvmb]

also hahahaha, I only realized this like a month into my review for this setup. But I've done the double-traitor thing before years ago in a Micro that was purely for shits and ~experimentation~, so yea the mod meta was actually there for catching nero out lmao

I speculated about it but I didn’t look through your history just the one about games in general and it didn’t show up anywhere!

[Enchant]

LOL
I read neighborhood right now.

[DkKoba]

Nero Cain survived to Day 6. He was a

Mafia Informed Traitor Neighbour

.

yeah that was never gonna be a town win lol

thank you for hosting, especially for being so prompt

nice playing with you all

This game was lost not because of this I’m sorry.

nth

some of the townies grouped up and made some really terrible pushes.

[Andresvmb]

Nero Cain survived to Day 6. He was a

Mafia Informed Traitor Neighbour

.

yeah that was never gonna be a town win lol

thank you for hosting, especially for being so prompt

nice playing with you all

This game was lost not because of this I’m sorry.

nth

some of the townies grouped up and made some really terrible pushes.

Ugh I’m mad we executed you. You would have made all the difference. I couldn’t cajole enough votes for shit.

[bloodhail]

Nero Cain survived to Day 6. He was a

Mafia Informed Traitor Neighbour

.

yeah that was never gonna be a town win lol

thank you for hosting, especially for being so prompt

nice playing with you all

This game was lost not because of this I’m sorry.

nth

some of the townies grouped up and made some really terrible pushes.

Ugh I’m mad we executed you. You would have made all the difference. I couldn’t cajole enough votes for shit.

in fairness even i thought they were mafia

[Andresvmb]

Nero Cain survived to Day 6. He was a

Mafia Informed Traitor Neighbour

.

yeah that was never gonna be a town win lol

thank you for hosting, especially for being so prompt

nice playing with you all

This game was lost not because of this I’m sorry.

nth

some of the townies grouped up and made some really terrible pushes.

Ugh I’m mad we executed you. You would have made all the difference. I couldn’t cajole enough votes for shit.

in fairness even i thought they were mafia

I was torn but wouldn’t have done it myself. We just have a lot of history and I should have listened to that.