Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[Gypyx]

Roden has noclipped into the backrooms, please welcome him !

(Aka : Roden replaces Opposit3s)

[Roden]

Hello! I'm excited to play and I'm glad I was able to get in. I started reading the thread a few minutes ago, I'll give some reads in a bit. Though looking at the vote count it looks like some people already have some spicy takes early into the game.

[T3]

It's more that I found something to analyze -> analyzed it.
I didn't realize that wayward was reading through old games.

[T3]

And said they read through ols gamesin the signup.

[T3]

Although, T3 almost confirmed by meta analysis on them in post 46. When he looked at how I described his town games vs his scum games, his response was "that's fair" not "you cherry picked those games, that is not always how I play"

Which is why his full response has me really confused. Saying "your meta analysis on me is fair, but you should also think that Wayward Son is scum" is wild. Like the more I think about it the stranger it is tbh. He never says I am wrong in my analysis. He never even says he is not scum. He agrees with my analysis, but then says "your theory only works if I'm scum with Wayward."

Which is a strange connection for a town player to draw between themselves and someone they are scum reading. If he thinks Wayward Son could be scum, then he should know that that is setting himself up to be miselimed Day 2 if Wayward Son does get flipped scum today.

But on the otherhand, if T3 IS scum, then he may know for a fact that Wayward Son is town, and therefore he knows that it is safe to tie his alignment to theirs.

It is a common scum tactic to try and pair either themselves or their partners with a town player. That way, if they town player flips first, it can soft clears the scum player, or on the other hand, if the scum player flips first, it can net the scum team a miselim the next day, helping their partner still secure a victory.

I was pointing out the specific post you mentioned in that game.

[Roden]

I'll be honest, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was responding to the person I was voting, I just used a random picker and got Wayward's name

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to VOTE: Zyla

I'll start off by saying this is such a weird take. Zyla's vote was during RVS, why shouldn't it be random? If anything, trying to give a legitimate reason for votes during RVS feels a bit scummy.

Though I'll admit I don't have a read on Zyla yet. I kinda get the feeling they're an experienced newbie, since their posts feel a little controlled/revised and they're mentioning some outside experience. I'll say they're townleaning for now because of a hunch.

Next, I'm seeing a

lot

of pressure on Wayward for very little reason. I thought at first people were just testing for reactions, but it feels like way too many people are looking too deeply into a couple fluffy posts of theirs. They of course could still be scum but it feels more likely actual scum are putting early pressure on them. Maybe to make them dig their own grave? The more they talk the worse it does look for them, but nothing they're posting reads as particularly scummy.

T3's giving me weird vibes. Only five posts so far (at the time of writing this), the first few posts had literally no content, and anything with content just reads as...well, not scummish but definitely not town.

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon. Though him reaching E-2 so quickly also kind of worries me. If anyone puts him at E-1, they need to get looked at.

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it. But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes. We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

The Bulge reads pretty heavily town. I mainly just like his posting patterns, and him zeroing in on Wayward, even though I disagree with the suspicion itself, reads as genuine. He's putting pressure but letting others react instead of building a case himself.

Absolutely no read on Egix yet, he hasn't posted much or given anyone anything to work with yet. I'd like to see some opinions from him on the current votes and ask if he has any reads.

[Roden]

Also, VOTE: Lukewarm

[Roden]

@T3 could we see a vote please?

[T3]

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This was a terrible joke I had made under 4 hours of sleep and then 4 hours of zoom class in my break.

[Lukewarm]

Hero solve [T3 + Roden]

[T3]

Wayward is lean town.
I like Roden's analysis.

[T3]

I mostly rely on gut analysis to form reads.

[Egix96]

I mostly rely on gut analysis to form reads.

What prompted you to say this?

[Zyla]

I mostly rely on gut analysis to form reads.

So... has your gut given you anything yet? You're the only one who hasn't done so much as a random vote

[The Bulge]

Though looking at the vote count it looks like some people already have some spicy takes early into the game.

what does this mean?

[The Bulge]

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

Roden, did you have any thoughts about my Meta case against T3?

Spoiler:

(Don't mention my first 2 links, but the 3rd town game and the scum game are both legal, plus my summary of his town game vs scum game from my experience).

OR about The Buldge's contribution

If you'd like some legal meta, I just modded a large normal where scumT3 laid down some incredibly bizarre distancing tactics D1 before being eliminated that ultimately factored into his team's win. giving me similar vibes here.

OR about T3's "rebuttal" to the meta case?

I think that's fair, but you should also note that the Demainer vote was a bus. So your theory only works if I'm scum with Wayward.

I find it strange that you read this thread, and did not have a single thought about it (agree or disagree) given how many people have chimed into this conversation. And you instead hand waved that all as "Just analyzing RVS votes"

[Egix96]

Okay. I've spent a couple of hours reading through ISOs. I'll try to summarise everything here.

Luke - Town lean for 29 and 48.

Mix - I think that their questioning of people has been fine, but I'm a bit weirded out by their 68 because not only do they seem to have too many suspects, but they also seemingly suspect Wayward just for being hard to read?

Roden only has one major post so far, but I did like this part:

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon.

T3 - I have bad vibes from 37 and I don't really buy his explanation that it was a joke.

Bulge - Slight town lean for starting with a serious vote and being willing to give Zyla more time to simmer rather than heading straight in on a push.

Wayward - Has made a couple of strange comments but I kinda like 57.

Xlos - Dislike 58 because it feels like trying to force something from nothing.

Zyla - Town feels from 59, also 41 is something that I don't feel like scum would normally broach the subject on.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: T3

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: T3

Just so everyone knows, that puts T3 at e-1

So be aware, that if anyone else votes him here, it would be a hammer.

[T3]

I mostly rely on gut analysis to form reads.

What prompted you to say this?

It was a response because lukewarm brought out my meta.

[T3]

I think Lukewarm is town but I can't say why because of ongoing games.

[T3]

I'll be honest, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was responding to the person I was voting, I just used a random picker and got Wayward's name

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to VOTE: Zyla

I'll start off by saying this is such a weird take. Zyla's vote was during RVS, why shouldn't it be random? If anything, trying to give a legitimate reason for votes during RVS feels a bit scummy.

Though I'll admit I don't have a read on Zyla yet. I kinda get the feeling they're an experienced newbie, since their posts feel a little controlled/revised and they're mentioning some outside experience. I'll say they're townleaning for now because of a hunch.

Next, I'm seeing a

lot

of pressure on Wayward for very little reason. I thought at first people were just testing for reactions, but it feels like way too many people are looking too deeply into a couple fluffy posts of theirs. They of course could still be scum but it feels more likely actual scum are putting early pressure on them. Maybe to make them dig their own grave? The more they talk the worse it does look for them, but nothing they're posting reads as particularly scummy.

T3's giving me weird vibes. Only five posts so far (at the time of writing this), the first few posts had literally no content, and anything with content just reads as...well, not scummish but definitely not town.

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon. Though him reaching E-2 so quickly also kind of worries me. If anyone puts him at E-1, they need to get looked at.

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it. But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes. We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

The Bulge reads pretty heavily town. I mainly just like his posting patterns, and him zeroing in on Wayward, even though I disagree with the suspicion itself, reads as genuine. He's putting pressure but letting others react instead of building a case himself.

Absolutely no read on Egix yet, he hasn't posted much or given anyone anything to work with yet. I'd like to see some opinions from him on the current votes and ask if he has any reads.

I don't like this post. Lean scum.

[Lukewarm]

Wayward is lean town.

I like Roden's analysis

.

I'll be honest, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was responding to the person I was voting, I just used a random picker and got Wayward's name

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to VOTE: Zyla

I'll start off by saying this is such a weird take. Zyla's vote was during RVS, why shouldn't it be random? If anything, trying to give a legitimate reason for votes during RVS feels a bit scummy.

Though I'll admit I don't have a read on Zyla yet. I kinda get the feeling they're an experienced newbie, since their posts feel a little controlled/revised and they're mentioning some outside experience. I'll say they're townleaning for now because of a hunch.

Next, I'm seeing a

lot

of pressure on Wayward for very little reason. I thought at first people were just testing for reactions, but it feels like way too many people are looking too deeply into a couple fluffy posts of theirs. They of course could still be scum but it feels more likely actual scum are putting early pressure on them. Maybe to make them dig their own grave? The more they talk the worse it does look for them, but nothing they're posting reads as particularly scummy.

T3's giving me weird vibes. Only five posts so far (at the time of writing this), the first few posts had literally no content, and anything with content just reads as...well, not scummish but definitely not town.

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon. Though him reaching E-2 so quickly also kind of worries me. If anyone puts him at E-1, they need to get looked at.

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it. But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes. We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

The Bulge reads pretty heavily town. I mainly just like his posting patterns, and him zeroing in on Wayward, even though I disagree with the suspicion itself, reads as genuine. He's putting pressure but letting others react instead of building a case himself.

Absolutely no read on Egix yet, he hasn't posted much or given anyone anything to work with yet. I'd like to see some opinions from him on the current votes and ask if he has any reads.

I don't like this post. Lean scum

.

Uhhhhhhh

[T3]

That was based on a nullread of you vs town.

[Wayward Son]

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it.

But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes.

We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

To me, it looks like you scum read Xlos the most, but ended up voting someone who "isn't giving off scum vibes"? Why Luke over someone (T3) who's giving off weird vibes?

Personally, Bulge, Mix, and Luke are my strongest TRs.

Egix is a gut TR.