Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Noraa]

I wish Pooky was here

[Save The Dragons]

Can we all just have our own reads or something?

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it
VFP - talking less than usual could be scum for it
MaxTheFox - not sure where i stand here
JohnnyFarrar - lean town
Free Money Free Tea

UC Voyager

- i've 180d i think i lean scum here
ItalianoVD - lean town
Noraa - town
Save The Dragons - that's me!
ssbm_Kyouko - town
Andresvmb - lean town
Gamma Emerald - lean scum but mostly just gut

[ItalianoVD]

Though I’m skeptical of how that makes me town

Well the cop was killed and thinking you could be town is not an impossible assumption. I wouldn’t think it, but maybe free money would.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

Talk about this one for me?

[ItalianoVD]

I’m not. Claiming that there’s a Cop Enabler that they’re aware of after the Cop is flipped seems reasonable to me.

Ahh, mindmeld.

The hammer wasn’t, but I also don’t like the single handed focus here on them when the push onto RLotus was dreadful and we should have backed off.

This is true re Lotus. I feel like Free money is a distraction to that. Whether it’s just town being careless or a plan by scum to purposely try to take our eyes off of it I don’t know. But I agree there were multiple people pushing Lotus that should at least be looked at.

[ItalianoVD]

Spoiler:

FMFT, is role A an enabler that enables a role that you believe to be more likely to go to scum than town, for example, a rolecop enabler?

FMFT, is role A an enabler that enables a role that you believe to be more likely to go to scum than town, for example, a rolecop enabler?

Can just answer yes/no, we dont need to know which role is enabled yet

It should be fine to claim. I was informed that part of gamma emeralds role is cop enabler. I was also infomed there is some role a in the setup but not the player or alignment. A is an unflippedrole.

Were you specifically told that his role has more to it than that, or was it not specified, or was it worded in such a way that left it open to interpretation whether his role contains more?

These are kinda weird. Why are you wanting so much specific information?

[ItalianoVD]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote the exact wording but the way I saw it the phrasin g meant it had more to it.

Sigh. Aight I guess we’ll have to see where this goes.

VOTE: Johnny

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
I don’t like the rolefishing that went down just now.

I’m not sure if I trust this fully, but I agree.

[Save The Dragons]

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

Talk about this one for me?

i dunno i don't trust meta i actually probably lean town on the slot tbh should have mentioned that

but in one game i played with him he was town and only showed up when he was attacked

in another game he was traitor and came out D2 as a strong poster

he's kind of in the middle here

[Save The Dragons]

GHOST

[samantha97]

lukewarm posted here instead of the dead thread accidentally and I deleted the post

not a big deal since the dead thread is unspoiled, but wanted to leave a notice

since some people saw it and not others though, here is the post:

Spoiler:

Votecount

Free Money Free Tea [2]:

Dunnstral, Save The Dragons

VFP [2]:

MaxTheFox, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko [1]:

VFP

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Andresvmb

JohnnyFarrar[1]:

ItalianoVD

Not Voting: Noraa, Free Money Free Tea, JohnnyFarrar, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-05 19:44:00) or when majority is reached.

[Noraa]

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

what?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler:

FMFT, is role A an enabler that enables a role that you believe to be more likely to go to scum than town, for example, a rolecop enabler?

FMFT, is role A an enabler that enables a role that you believe to be more likely to go to scum than town, for example, a rolecop enabler?

Can just answer yes/no, we dont need to know which role is enabled yet

It should be fine to claim. I was informed that part of gamma emeralds role is cop enabler. I was also infomed there is some role a in the setup but not the player or alignment. A is an unflippedrole.

Were you specifically told that his role has more to it than that, or was it not specified, or was it worded in such a way that left it open to interpretation whether his role contains more?

These are kinda weird. Why are you wanting so much specific information?

I had an idea that I've since realized will not work. I thought if FMFT would reveal role A we could popcorn partial claim whether we are A or not. I thought if nobody claimed A he was likely scum, but obviously if scum has role A they would just lie and say "not A"

I thought through several situations considering town/town, scum/town, town/scum, and scum/scum, and realized that it would be incorrect to elim either of them today. However, if one or both of them are scum, we need to lock down the specifics of their claims now on D2 so that when new flips or the additional informed claim, if it exists, come to light, those 2 cannot change their story. That is why I wanted specifics on why FMFT said "part of" Gamma's role, and why I wanted Gamma to confirm he is cop enabler. I dont want to leave them any wiggle room as I believe one or both will be eliminated in the next couple of Days.

[Noraa]

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

Talk about this one for me?

i dunno i don't trust meta i actually probably lean town on the slot tbh should have mentioned that

but in one game i played with him he was town and only showed up when he was attacked

in another game he was traitor and came out D2 as a strong poster

he's kind of in the middle here

hes not middle. he's on the low end for sure. I think Dunn is ... interesting this game. I continue to not know what alignment he is and its concerning

[Save The Dragons]

i think he's talking more than he was in the town game i played with him

[JohnnyFarrar]

Reread the day to try and get into this one.

Willing to bet money on Noraa town here.

Fmft claim makes me not want to lim them or Gamma

Not letting Luke's read on kyouko outta my mind as I read 727 on

@Max how new are you to the game?

Drgn new scumread

I agree with Noraa on VFP and Andres. They both make me nervous. That said, I'm trusting my gut on (and Luke) on kyouko more and more as I read and I don't think kyouko and vfp are partners so

Though I’m skeptical of how that makes me town

Well the cop was killed and thinking you could be town is not an impossible assumption. I wouldn’t think it, but maybe free money would.

Wild and random devil's advocate defense on a slot not worth pocketing? Italy town

[JohnnyFarrar]

Anyone around and wanna chat null reads? I have too many

[Noraa]

gahhhhh mon why your reads so similar to mine?
you must have different reads and fite me! I like a good argument on reads

[Noraa]

I don't have a lot of nulls. I do have the typical "uh oh I SR everyone YAYYY"

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ok so help me. Gamma, Dunn, and Max are all an amorphous blob of "OH, they're playing this game????" For me and I don't like it

[ItalianoVD]

Ok idk who's town here and half the reason is because no matter who pushes what, immediately other people start moving to that wagon. its so damn hard to not just think all of these later thoughts that just switch from nothing aren't artificial as hell. Can we all just have our own reads or something?

Idk im so frustrated by this game in a way that I've never felt. Like normally I get annoyed because I find town but they don't agree with me or I find scum and no one agrees with me. But here I feel like no one has their own opinions and I don't even know what I'm doing. I literally need to bounce ideas off of other people, hear new opinions, and interact to figure out if my read is right. Here I just feel like I'm bouncing ideas off a mirror and that doesn't help me!!!!

Like I vote Lotus. People just mindlessly follow and now we have our top pr dead!!!
I really don't trust in my reads and someone literally needs to just keep arguing with my reads for me to think more!!!!!!!!!!!!

T.T don't follow my votes oml bc then if it ends up town I end up thinking its my faulttttt

I've never wished I was scum more than now tbh. Ugh life sucks.

This is why I was trying to get you to zero in on Johnny and you kinda just meh’d me. You said you don’t really know how to read him but every time I say something about it or try to push there you don’t really try to do anything or you say it’s probably not like that. I think we might be letting Johnny fly under the radar. You also did the same for Lukewarm. So I don’t know this kinda doesn’t feel like real sentiment to me.

[ItalianoVD]

Oh yeah and this...

Like I vote Lotus. People just mindlessly follow and now we have our top pr dead!!!

Come on Noraa. Hindsight is 20/20, so it’s easy to say this, but you weren’t saying this late day 1. I understand you said Lotus was a hard situation and I get that, but why are you now framing it like no one had anything to say about anything? As I said, Lukewarm was trying to push kyouko, you scumread him early but then didn’t and when Lukewarm started to really push him you dismissed him. I’ve said some things about Johnny and you kinda dismissed it as well. I believe others have said things and you didn’t really look into it, but don’t quote me on that, I’d have to look again to be sure. Like I get you have your reads, but if someone said that my townleans were wrong or that they were suspicious I’d at least try to look at them.

Also you keep saying our top pr is dead. Now I’m not great with mechanics but shouldn’t there at least be a protective or maybe another investigative role generally speaking?

[Gamma Emerald]

i think he's talking more than he was in the town game i played with him

Pls link that game

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so help me. Gamma, Dunn, and Max are all an amorphous blob of "OH, they're playing this game????" For me and I don't like it

I should be in that set at all rn

[Save The Dragons]

i think he's talking more than he was in the town game i played with him

Pls link that game

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86088