Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Infinity 324]

Yep lol

[Prism]

Maybe it's because I am illiterate and read slow as shit but I'm skeptical of that.

My PoE is basically Hectic/Johnny/Ydrasse with T3 next ondeck. For T3, I have thought his reads/reactions fine and he's probably just going with the flow of his gut regardless of alignment.

[Lukewarm]

I just feel like everyone is TRing so many people, that it worries me. Currently looking back over everyone' most recently stated scum reads to get a better feel

[Prism]

I would be moderately surprised if the list of 4 I gave did not have both scum in it. Fidget/Child are conceivable, Infinity less so after her interaction with me on Hectic even though her progression on me is still a rollercoaster, and I do not want to eat a shoe.

I should probably elaborate on Child at some point when I feel better irl

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler: People's Stated Scum Reads

• Child : t3, johnny, prism
  Fidget : Johnny, Child
  Hectic : Prism, Johnny, t3
  Infinity : johnny, fidget
  Prism: Hectic, johnny, Ydra
  T3 : Child Johnny
  Ydrasse : Johnny
  Luke : Hectic, Johnny, Prism
  Johnny : Fidget, child

• Number of people scum reading each player
  
  
• Johnny: 8
  
• Child: 3
  
• Prism: 3
  
• T3 : 3
  
• Fidget: 2
  
• Hectic: 2
  
• Yda: 1
  
• Infinity: 0
  
• Luke: 0

And it just seems like we are pretty far from a consensus other then, Johnny is not here so we are all suspicious of him. And on that front, I mean we are ALL suspicious of him.

And I feel like there has not been a lot of effort to stop the us from giving out our town reads. There is less confusion then I would expect in the game. Like zero people are considering scum me or infinity, and only 1 is looking at possible scum Ydra?

There is no push back on the Johnny collective scum read?

It just feels like the scum team is happy with how the reads are falling, and don't feel the need to stir the pot

- or they are both on vacation.

[Infinity 324]

I think if johnny is scum it still makes sense for the game to play out the way it has, like he only has one partner what are they gonna do

[Lukewarm]

I think if johnny is scum it still makes sense for the game to play out the way it has, like he only has one partner what are they gonna do

I guess I am more suspicious of there being multiple people with so few scum reads on them. I don't think I have even gotten through a day 1 with literally 0 people scum reading me. And then I see that it is not just me, but you as well. And Ydra was sitting with zero as well until like 30 mins ago.

Why is the scum team letting a town block form so easily?

Spoiler:

Basically, I need someone to scum read me so that I don't feel so paranoid /s

[Infinity 324]

Why is the scum team letting a town block form so easily?

Probably because they're not in the townbloc and don't have enough influence to break it apart

That just happens sometimes

[Prism]

In that scenario you're typically more concerned with breaking into the townbloc over breaking it up completely.

I don't like the rushed unvote from Ydrasse precisely because it felt performative for an audience rather than genuinely sorting the slot or engaging with what Child said.

[Ydrasse]

i didn't really want to engage at the time but the gist of my unvote is that i see something that i think is a towny post, realize "oh, maybe i'm wrong", didn't feel an urge to vote out child, and unvoted

i wasn't going to say more until i felt like engaging with the thread at large but it felt important to me that i indicate where my thoughts were headed

[Ydrasse]

to explain, or clarify: there was nothing i felt like i needed to engage with in that moment because child had already engaged even if itw asn't directly in a way that was town enough for me, etc etc

[Prism]

I understand what you are claiming your intentions were.

[Ydrasse]

but do you BELIEVE them

[Prism]

I'll probably have to metadive pretty soon but few things are more painful than getting stood up by someone you care about more than they do so I'm going to just shovel sushi and watch Dodgeball instead of play mafia.

P-Edit: Leaning no.

[Ydrasse]

uh, well, unfortunate about the mafia aspect of that post but i hope the night can improve a little bit by watching + eating. i hope the sushi is really good. be well, prism.

[Infinity 324]

few things are more painful than getting stood up by someone you care about more than they do

:(

[Prism]

it's okay i have patches o'houlihan

[Ydrasse]

we <3 u

[Prism]

Well, 59 minutes and 56 seconds into the movie I no longer have Patches O'Houlihan, but I am revived and ready to play mafia again...in another 30 minutes or so

[Fidget]

I just feel like everyone is TRing so many people, that it worries me. Currently looking back over everyone' most recently stated scum reads to get a better feel

Not a lot to go off of and everyone's got pretty good tone and either good solvy attitudes or comes across as town for other reasons.

If Johnny seems towny upon return all hell breaks loose I think.

It just feels like the scum team is happy with how the reads are falling, and don't feel the need to stir the pot - or they are both on vacation.

As Infinity said, imagine what happens if Johnny is scum with one partner out of us eight versus if there's two scum and Johnny as town. They are highly likely to be the same scenario since it's still overwhelmingly town voices and Johnny would only have one benefactor if he is scum.

With regards to my scumreads, I'm very undecided as I can see conceivable town points for most every player. It's easy to do that day one. If I played a game where I had to bet on players being town in order of confidence, I'd probably go..

Luke
-
Infinity -> Prism -> T3
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Child -> Hectic -> Ydrasse
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Johnny

It's just wrong though. That is essentially the same order as activity. Well, that's an exaggeration I suppose. It's not. However, the difference in my feelings between the two middle tiers is incredibly fuzzy and that's an issue.

[Fidget]

I reread the whole thing. Some changes I'd probably make

Lukewarm
Infinity
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Prism
-
Hectic/T3/Child
-
Ydrasse
Johnny

The main thing is I felt Infinity came across as genuine. Felt better about Prism. Hectic is a mix of my one ping earlier and gamestate but I am admittedly not for sure. I generally really liked Infinity and Prism on another go through. I think Child was better than I thought. T3 I am a bit more afraid I'm jestering on but the fact he gets miselimmed a lot I feel does lend some credence to my read at least. Ydrasse I liked her tone early game (like here n here in my memory), it's good. But her pushes/reads themselves (like on me, Child, and Infinity) I would liken closer to a series of contract killings whereas say Infinity's felt more from the heart to me.

That is going to be tricky to explain if I keep thinking that in the future. It makes sense in my head.

Also I liked Child on a reread (actually understanding them outside of the readslist) and also their recent posts which is restricting my pool a touch.

[Ydrasse]

“contract killings” lmao. mind explaining that for the class in a way that isn’t hidden behind a cute nickname and then explain why?

[Ydrasse]

because that very much implies i am determined to kill you three for an end goal and when i’m disengaging from those pushes because i no longer find them correct calling them contract is the exact opposite thing you should be doing.

[Ydrasse]

i’m actually baffled how that interpretation of my posts is even possible

[Hectic]

Cool, this is finally finished.

Hectic, please comment how you thought my aggressive pursuit of a scumread was scum-indicative.

Ha, and you tried to deny your identity

As to answer your question: I don't think you aggressively pursuing scumreads in general is a scum-indicative trait for you, that's not what I was implying earlier

Recent frustrated response to Infinity and expressing temptation to self-hammer reads as towny, reminds me of Binding of Isaac. Infinity also reads towny in this exchange