Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, MC is scum. The above is just the nail in the coffin.

I disagree with both you AND titus but my pushing back is counterproductive at this point.

I'm not exactly convinced by this to suddenly throw my weight onto something else. Need to give me more.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I am earmarking this conversation with Cabd for later if we end up in a particular world because I just got paranoia goosebumps

[MURDERCAT]

can you talk about your NDMath read

I was reading Math this way pre SP stuff, I thought the vote on me was particularly opportunistic and I trust that Titus is both town and has as strong read.

As for the claim, I was kind of hesitant to push it even though I think it could be a scum role, but I don't feel that way now that the sp stuff is out. I don't have a role that uses SP but I still generated it.

[Ircher]

I'm kind of leaning towards NDMath and MURDERCAT aren't both scum. Both have similar scum equities rn though.

[Chara]

can you talk about your NDMath read

I was reading Math this way pre SP stuff, I thought the vote on me was particularly opportunistic and I trust that Titus is both town and has as strong read.

As for the claim, I was kind of hesitant to push it even though I think it could be a scum role, but I don't feel that way now that the sp stuff is out. I don't have a role that uses SP but I still generated it.

what's your thinking on why Math lied about not having SP?

[notscience]

{

Infinity 324

, Salsabil Faria}
{

Gamma Emerald

, shadowslug, Green Crayons, Daenerys and Dragons}
{Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, Dumb and Dumber}
{YyottaCat}

I think I'm here.

Infinity isn't doing the "are you scum??" thing he does to me when he is scum.
Salsabil: town slip and generally has no agenda while not doing nothing, if that makes sense

Gamma seems to just be chilling and doesn't seem to be trying to push anything in particular.
Shadow/gc I think might be TvT, but I admit that is in part because of how other people have voted in relation to the 1v1.
Lilith's emotion about dumbass seems real to me, in a TAI way.

NM: ?
PP: Don't really love some of the stuff in his early game or how he has interacted with me.
Dumb and Dumber: Paranoia about trying to get town read, not interested in an elim here

YyottaCat: We need more pressure here.

thanks MURDERKITTY

i don't mean to be rude or offensive or anything but from what i hear you're supposed to be p good at town and, well, your readslist was a bit Not Good and shallow
so that's a little concerning to me

~ skitter

[Chara]

can't believe notsci made me do a whole thirty seconds of work to see ehat alignment murdercat was in that game.

[notscience]

I’ve already said I was comparing here to his scumgsme there

[Chara]

it was sarcasm, just a joke. though i did have to check as i hadn't seen that.

[MURDERCAT]

what's your thinking on why Math lied about not having SP?

I have no idea why it would make sense to do that. I am not factoring it into my scum read so much, I'm just not town reading the watcher claim because of it, if that makes sense.

[MURDERCAT]

You are free to ask me to summarize my games notsci, I could tell you about each of them
Also all my games and alignments are on my wiki

[Dwlee99]

I think it is extremely scummy the way NDMath said he "shared Ircher's concerns about my slot" (which I think is that I'm scumreading both of them) and then only responded to my reasons for the scumread. He ignored other people that have voted and pushed him like SS/Titus/Dunn and I don't accept the reason he says he is ignoring Titus.

[Titus]

Morph, you may be the decider. Everyone seems pretty firm in their camps.

[Chara]

what's your thinking on why Math lied about not having SP?

I have no idea why it would make sense to do that. I am not factoring it into my scum read so much, I'm just not town reading the watcher claim because of it, if that makes sense.

i see what you're saying, anyway.

what about the strength of your Ircher read? as far as Ircher's takes went, the anya scumread was actually a more salient part of his ISO to me, so i would call it either a developed-ish bus vote or just a correct scumread that had some reasoning, so your read on it as too weak to be a bus vote kind of confuses me.

[Chara]

Morph, you may be the decider. Everyone seems pretty firm in their camps.

not that my opinion is going to change any minds, but it's not all that firm.

[MURDERCAT]

what about the strength of your Ircher read? as far as Ircher's takes went, the anya scumread was actually a more salient part of his ISO to me, so i would call it either a developed-ish bus vote or just a correct scumread that had some reasoning, so your read on it as too weak to be a bus vote kind of confuses me.

It was the timing of it that stuck out to me, it was a complete vanity.

But more recently it is also the fact that scum has a lot of control over the day phase given there are 5 of them (feel free to argue this point with me but imo more scum is more control, the ratio doesn't matter). Yes scum flipped D1, but that was a last minute scramble. If Ircher was scum there is no way that I go this long without being hammered.

[Chara]

Why are you only responding to my scumread of you and not anyone else?

You're the person talking to me & I don't feel useful at convincing people to vote mcat.

You're just ignoring what Titus says?

NDMath responded to your post to explain and then you asked follow up questions. i don't see any conversation from Titus towards NDMath that was being ignored.

[Chara]

what about the strength of your Ircher read? as far as Ircher's takes went, the anya scumread was actually a more salient part of his ISO to me, so i would call it either a developed-ish bus vote or just a correct scumread that had some reasoning, so your read on it as too weak to be a bus vote kind of confuses me.

It was the timing of it that stuck out to me, it was a complete vanity.

But more recently it is also the fact that scum has a lot of control over the day phase given there are 5 of them (feel free to argue this point with me but imo more scum is more control, the ratio doesn't matter). Yes scum flipped D1, but that was a last minute scramble. If Ircher was scum there is no way that I go this long without being hammered.

what's the difference between Ircher as your counter and NDMath as your counter? correct me if i'm wrong, i don't remember a time when Ircher was very close to elimination.

and i don't see why scum Ircher can't vanity vote his partner. why can't it be distancing at a time where anya wasn't in that much danger yet?

[Dwlee99]

NDMath responded to your post to explain and then you asked follow up questions. i don't see any conversation from Titus towards NDMath that was being ignored

But math didn't respond to the other people I listed's posts that were similar to mine. Also: he already tacitly agreed he ignored Titus.

[Chara]

i guess i don't find it that convincing because i don't see a reason scum NDMath would need to target you specifically to respond to, as opposed to shea's post just up above, rather than it being kind of arbitrary who he responded to.

[MURDERCAT]

what's the difference between Ircher as your counter and NDMath as your counter? correct me if i'm wrong, i don't remember a time when Ircher was very close to elimination.

and i don't see why scum Ircher can't vanity vote his partner. why can't it be distancing at a time where anya wasn't in that much danger yet?

To me, the reasoning behind the math wagon is stronger.
I also feel like the pressure against me has again turned up since math has been pressured, whereas there seemed to be a sort of content "either ircher or MC is fine" previously. But what do I know, maybe Ircher is scum and math is town or maybe we are all town, that is just my perception of it.

As for the vote, it's the fact that it stayed on Anya, I think scum would have been more likely to be present to help get something else through. It is possible it was a planned bus and Ircher is scum or it's possible I'm wrong on LLD and Ircher just wasn't around, but the most likely situation in my mind is that Ircher is just town who was fine with a wagon on a scum read.

[Chara]

if LLD is scum as you think, isn't anya being a planned bus already what your perspective is?

[Dwlee99]

i guess i don't find it that convincing because i don't see a reason scum NDMath would need to target you specifically to respond to, as opposed to shea's post just up above, rather than it being kind of arbitrary who he responded to.

If town and targeting someone I feel like he'd try to talk it out with one of his town reads. That math picked me after saying how uneasy he is with my slot presents an incongruency in what I think a town thought process should be. His interactions with me certainly seem like he is talking to someone he thinks is town despite, again, saying he found me scummy.

[MURDERCAT]

I think it was an unplanned bus in response to sigmund claim and wagon stalling, but the timing is a little jumbled for me.
To be perfectly clear, I am trying to explain how scum LLD ended up leading a wagon on scum Anya, because I have a scum read on LLD, it's not the other way around

[Chara]

regarding NDMath, he's hovered at null with some analysis i've liked, so sitting a little above null. the watcher claim brought it up to not wanting to see him eliminated today because he is indeed a watcher and unless i'm pretty convinced a slot is scum i usually like to give the benefit of the doubt to get more results. and the no SP thing doesn't seem to have any good reasoning i've seen for why scum Math lies about it. i looked in to the Farmer role and it does seem to be a "weird" role by etrian odyssey standards.