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[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil, boxxy claimed something different. Roaming (target a player only once) and 1-shot (can only use the role once) are different claims.

Oh wait.... let me check the wiki.

Yup, I messed up.....sorry

boxxy

!

Wiki says:

Roaming is a role modifier that prevents a power role from ever targeting the same player twice. Even if the ability is blocked or otherwise prevented, you may not target that player ever again. Likewise, if the ability is redirected or deflected, you may not attempt to target your original target again but you may target the player you were redirected to on another Night.

[Kerset]

Box is kind of player with old account, empty hole and claims to be playing offside.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Found only one game that uses it — ONE.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

[Salsabil Faria]

Like think about it too. From a setup perspective, in what situation do you decide to add a roaming modifier to a detective? Detective is already somewhat on the weaker side of role (I estimate it less useful than a tracker, taking into account the same scum makes all the same kills, which is likely in a setup where mafia isn't multitasking by default), why would you nerf it on top of that with a roaming modifier? Like now that the role is claimed you can see it has now become a role that is 90% useless unless you somehow hit the scum committing the nightkill. That is it. You are getting at most one guilty. How is that a role a moderator includes in a setup?
Normally I am wary of outguessing the mod situations but here it just strikes me as a claim that scums can easily make because it does not clear anything, and you can go the whole game without claiming a single guilty and still manage to explain how you will not die on every night by (correctly) saying your role is justifiably weak so it does not warrant a nightkill from the scums.

I can clearly understand your point now, still, I'm unsure about eliminating a pr claim on Day 1. But I'll keep my mind open.

[Almost50]

Like I said I buy boxs story. Your looking scummy. But if you want to lynch box go ahead but if they flip town pr. Don't blame me.

VOTE: Cyrus

Like, really?? "I think they're a TPR, but if you want to kill them .. go ahead!"???

[nomnomnom]

Found only one game that uses it — ONE.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

Well okay that certainly looks like I was wrong and that some moderators think this is a perfectly valid role to include
But as shown in this setup, town has a lot of other invests and role that can confirm themselves so I guess it's warranted to have a significantly weaker detective, so hm.

[nomnomnom]

If we are not going for boxxy I want VOTE: Cyrus
He has some outrageous posts

[Salsabil Faria]

Found only one game that uses it — ONE.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

I don't find

boxxy

there....
Was the game about fake claiming btw?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Cyrus

[Salsabil Faria]

Found only one game that uses it — ONE.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

I don't find

boxxy

there....
Was the game about fake claiming btw?

Nevermind! read it wrong

[Kerset]

Monkey if you vote box I'll hammer at this point, seen enough now.

intent to hammer box if he goes to e-1 again

I appreciate the intent and I will flashlynch as soon as everyone has posted.

boxxy, if you can, claim

Forcing a claim this early with a trash case. gg no re.

I'm a roaming detective, so if we have any sort of doc protection tonight would be appreciated, assuming i make it that far.

This is the pressure, which was supposed to gain a claim.

It looks like a complete BS. What was it? 24 ingame hours? For boxxy it was 25th post in this game. Any normal player would refuse to claim, especially when their claim is that important as there wasn't enough to analyze yet. Also how continent it is actually a TI! Typical claim that saves you from death. Thing that scum would do in panic mode, as he holds no value in his power role.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Boxy for being to box like

This post is all manners of weird, bad and legendary at the same time
pedit: that is what I keep saying and yet people act like he claimed cop when it's basically a non-role from where I stand

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hard agree

[Kerset]

Roaming Rolecop wouldn't makesense. Also I just looked atthe wiki and ddetective is always town.

well scum can claim anything but anyway dectec can be evil too https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76996

[Salsabil Faria]

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

[Almost50]

This is the perfect kind of role for scum to claim because you can spend all your game faking garbage results and WIFOMing about scums not NKing you because of these parameters.

What if he "fakes" a "Didn't kill" result on -say- a VIGILANTE?

I -at least- know whom to vote out of the Kerset/DWlee/nomnom trio

[Salsabil Faria]

Roaming Rolecop wouldn't makesense. Also I just looked atthe wiki and ddetective is always town.

well scum can claim anything but anyway dectec can be evil too https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76996

That's interesting.... I also thought

detective

is a town role in normal set-up.

[nomnomnom]

This is the perfect kind of role for scum to claim because you can spend all your game faking garbage results and WIFOMing about scums not NKing you because of these parameters.

What if he "fakes" a "Didn't kill" result on -say- a VIGILANTE?

That assumes there's a vig in the setup
If there is a vig in the setup it's even less likely this role is in the game btw, you're not going to make me believe that not only you make a detective that is significantly nerfed but also happens to have false positives in there too

[humaneatingmonkey]

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

hell no. both are scum on their own. cyrus is scum independent of boxxy's alignment. boxxy is scum independent of cyrus' alignment.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If there is a vig in the setup it's even less likely this role is in the game btw, you're not going to make me believe that not only you make a detective that is significantly nerfed but also happens to have false positives in there too

hashtag yes

[cyrus62]

Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

i have never been on here with phone untill the last 6 days. like when i got back i started using my phone on here for the 1st time and cant just use it as easy as my pc. also when i try to quote on the phone i do it wrong. as for being scum. why would i defend a pr if i was scum. wouldn't i push for a mislynch.

[Salsabil Faria]

This is the perfect kind of role for scum to claim because you can spend all your game faking garbage results and WIFOMing about scums not NKing you because of these parameters.

What if he "fakes" a "Didn't kill" result on -say- a VIGILANTE?

I -at least- know whom to vote out of the Kerset/DWlee/nomnom trio

Don't understand..... can you explain your thought process?

[Almost50]

I'd also like to refer to this thread
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=85510
If the NRG deemed his setup to be weak with a real invest (Town Neap) I doubt the NRG approves a setup where roaming det gets to be our invest this game, assuming this is it

Like, who ever gave you the idea that there's only one invest in the game?? If I was a designer I'd compliment the "Roaming Detective" with a "Novice Psychiatrist" and then toss in a 1-shot Vig to mess with them both.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Boxy for being to box like

This post is all manners of weird, bad and legendary at the same time
pedit: that is what I keep saying and yet people act like he claimed cop when it's basically a non-role from where I stand

that was a joke.

[OutWorldER]

Official Vote Count 1.06

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elimination

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate a player

cyrus62 (5): Seanzie, Salasbil Faria, Almost50, nomnomnom, humaneatingmonkey | E-2
Seanzie (1): ssbm_Kyouko
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (6): T3, Rathe, MaxTheFox, boxxy, cyrus62, Dwlee99

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-06-21 12:05:50).

Mod notes:

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