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[Smoke and Mirrors]

I could see Kyouko/Imaginality but I don't know how that equates to a Kitty scum team.

I also don't think most scum players have the stamina to post-by-posy refute you, SM.

Probably true.

Well, Kyouku was pushing both us and Distance and Imaginality shades Distance as well and we know Kitty had us both as their srs, which is one of the many reasons I think Distance is town.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

SS feels like a crystal ball or a mirror in games with him.

You either see your own reflection or a fragment on what's to come. So far I've just seen a mirror. Granted reping into a game with a day left to its already short ass deadline just to be turbolimmed has to fucking suck so like, sorry if that's the case SS - please post soon if you can.

For non game reasons I don't think mastina will be vocal by deadline. My push means means even less than it already did. Mmm...

SS/Kyuku/VFP must contain 1 town at least.

I'm not cool with leaving this to a 1/3 plurality roll. I will shift to -probably SS- if I must.

And I'm not cool at ALL with a no lim.

Also Nancy, this alt is mean to explore a different style with mafia. I may have the same tonal range as before, but I'm intentionally making meta a less effective approach to sort me.

Yes, I see. I tend to suck at doing that. I always think I’ll play extremely differently on an alt but usually tend to wind up playing the same.

This game is extremely frustrating. I feel like I’m always rushing and feel pressured to know exactly what I’m doing at deadline. D1 it was actually easy since Kitty was so obviously scum.

This reinforces the idea that at least 1 scum is a deepwolf, but i think another resides on VFP wagon. This assumes that the ganeatate points to VFP town which I think is plausible. I feel like if scum could've quockhammered a townie, they wouldn't because thwy would knowingly get turbo limmed with deadlines this short and votes coming down to "3? You're dead."

Yeah, I’m liking VFP more and more. I hard tr Misty but SS hasn’t done much but I don’t really see why he’s scummy?

But it seems it’s down to what wagons? Last VC isn’t up to date.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I think SS is probably flipping town and I’m worried that we will lose if we keep voting half-asses wagons.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

I don't find a reason that Misty is townie. I feel like their posts were too vague or simple and I think scum could've easily vied for Cop as much as town

I know we shouldn't read into rep outs, but I usually don't think town reps out when scum just flips.

SS is a very subtle player. It's hard to differentiate their activity and interest with their style and motives since they tend to be passive in even heated conflict. Look at their interaction with me a few pages ago, do you think they're trying to sort me or appease me by feeding into my thoughts?

And I'm not pleased with Distance's or Cyrus' post but these people can't all be scum.... plus Distance began a wagon on Kitty and had adequate time to deflect.

[imaginality]

This reinforces the idea that at least 1 scum is a deepwolf, but i think another resides on VFP wagon. This assumes that the ganeatate points to VFP town which I think is plausible. I feel like if scum could've quockhammered a townie, they wouldn't because thwy would knowingly get turbo limmed with deadlines this short and votes coming down to "3? You're dead."

I've seen several people mention quick hammering (or quockhammering ) but I don't think scum

can

quick hammer under this rule set can they (except when it's already very close to deadline)? Like, if VFP got that extra vote when VFP was E-1 early this game day, we'd still carry on to end of market day and people could leave that wagon, and in theory it could even end up with someone else being eliminated.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@cyrus am I correct in interpreting your post as:

"I like my vote on S&M, but if Something_Smart flips town and ssbm_Kyouko lives to Day 3, then I will have a scum read on ssbm"?

If this is an accurate assessment, how tf do we even fit into this?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I don't find a reason that Misty is townie. I feel like their posts were too vague or simple and I think scum could've easily vied for Cop as much as town

I know we shouldn't read into rep outs, but I usually don't think town reps out when scum just flips.

SS is a very subtle player. It's hard to differentiate their activity and interest with their style and motives since they tend to be passive in even heated conflict. Look at their interaction with me a few pages ago, do you think they're trying to sort me or appease me by feeding into my thoughts?

And I'm not pleased with Distance's or Cyrus' post but these people can't all be scum.... plus Distance began a wagon on Kitty and had adequate time to deflect.

It’s hard to say but the setup is really frustrating, so who knows? I in general am not a fan of plurality elims.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

This reinforces the idea that at least 1 scum is a deepwolf, but i think another resides on VFP wagon. This assumes that the ganeatate points to VFP town which I think is plausible. I feel like if scum could've quockhammered a townie, they wouldn't because thwy would knowingly get turbo limmed with deadlines this short and votes coming down to "3? You're dead."

I've seen several people mention quick hammering (or quockhammering ) but I don't think scum

can

quick hammer under this rule set can they (except when it's already very close to deadline)? Like, if VFP got that extra vote when VFP was E-1 early this game day, we'd still carry on to end of market day and people could leave that wagon, and in theory it could even end up with someone else being eliminated.

Then I'm very interested to hear on what you think VFP's alignment is, and how the wagon might have influenced that read, alongside how it helps you read his wagoners.

I don't find a reason that Misty is townie. I feel like their posts were too vague or simple and I think scum could've easily vied for Cop as much as town

I know we shouldn't read into rep outs, but I usually don't think town reps out when scum just flips.

SS is a very subtle player. It's hard to differentiate their activity and interest with their style and motives since they tend to be passive in even heated conflict. Look at their interaction with me a few pages ago, do you think they're trying to sort me or appease me by feeding into my thoughts?

And I'm not pleased with Distance's or Cyrus' post but these people can't all be scum.... plus Distance began a wagon on Kitty and had adequate time to deflect.

It’s hard to say but the setup is really frustrating, so who knows? I in general am not a fan of plurality elims.

I'm not a fan of giving scum a free NK D: Even if we miselim, we still have a somewhat town-led directive to go off on. But I don't find strong reasons to scumread any of the following: {Gamma, SM, Kyouko, Imaginality, VFP} and can easily find reasons why each are town... hell, I'll even put Distance in here.

What do you think a Kitty-Mastina pair or Kitty-SS pair or Kitty-Mastina-SS team says about the game?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

This reinforces the idea that at least 1 scum is a deepwolf, but i think another resides on VFP wagon. This assumes that the ganeatate points to VFP town which I think is plausible. I feel like if scum could've quockhammered a townie, they wouldn't because thwy would knowingly get turbo limmed with deadlines this short and votes coming down to "3? You're dead."

I've seen several people mention quick hammering (or quockhammering ) but I don't think scum

can

quick hammer under this rule set can they (except when it's already very close to deadline)? Like, if VFP got that extra vote when VFP was E-1 early this game day, we'd still carry on to end of market day and people could leave that wagon, and in theory it could even end up with someone else being eliminated.

Then I'm very interested to hear on what you think VFP's alignment is, and how the wagon might have influenced that read, alongside how it helps you read his wagoners.

I don't find a reason that Misty is townie. I feel like their posts were too vague or simple and I think scum could've easily vied for Cop as much as town

I know we shouldn't read into rep outs, but I usually don't think town reps out when scum just flips.

SS is a very subtle player. It's hard to differentiate their activity and interest with their style and motives since they tend to be passive in even heated conflict. Look at their interaction with me a few pages ago, do you think they're trying to sort me or appease me by feeding into my thoughts?

And I'm not pleased with Distance's or Cyrus' post but these people can't all be scum.... plus Distance began a wagon on Kitty and had adequate time to deflect.

It’s hard to say but the setup is really frustrating, so who knows? I in general am not a fan of plurality elims.

I'm not a fan of giving scum a free NK D: Even if we miselim, we still have a somewhat town-led directive to go off on. But I don't find strong reasons to scumread any of the following: {Gamma, SM, Kyouko, Imaginality, VFP} and can easily find reasons why each are town... hell, I'll even put Distance in here.

What do you think a Kitty-Mastina pair or Kitty-SS pair or Kitty-Mastina-SS team says about the game?

I don’t understand why you sr Mastina? SS typically doesn’t vote so it’s not really AI for him not to.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@CB, I don’t want to do that either but I don’t know who to vote for.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Anyway, I think CB is town, you’re genuinely solving and don’t really see any kind of agenda to any of your posts.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

I don't follow Mastina's reads in congruence with her stance on the game. If she were lost or had little input, why are so many slots conftown to her? Why would she focus on a scumread that is already universally suspected (VFP) without really being in contact with VFP to deduce an alignment directly? More so, why tailor an associative between two more players (Cyrus/Me). The list feels convenient to navigate a wagon onto another player in the event of a VFP-townflip that I think is likely.

I'm thinking Mastina may have outside factors going on that could affect her gameplay (plus deadline is different than other games), but I've mainly seen Mastina-town as someone who is more vocal or direct in the thread with their voice - and I'm not seeing that here.

I also understand that I'm projecting in some degree... This is a play I personally see myself doing as scum.

[Something_Smart]

Hot take: Smoke and Mirrors vs ssbm is tvt.

Doesn't seem like an especially hot take to me, but why?

[Something_Smart]

He's town is why. He was the alternative to Kitty.

Are these related? Why can't the two top wagons be S/S?

[Cupcake Butterfly]

So that leaves (removing Cyrus as I think town).

mastina
Cupcake
Mistyx
marci

I really need to do my due diligence though, even if it may be too late this dayphase.

I really want to know how you eliminated Marci and I from your potential scummer list.

And more specifically, why vote Misty/SS instead of Mastina, who you also think is likely part of the scumteam?

[Something_Smart]

I think Cyrus is probably town but there was those weird questions. I don’t know.

no execute

for now

Why would we no exe here

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I don't follow Mastina's reads in congruence with her stance on the game. If she were lost or had little input, why are so many slots conftown to her? Why would she focus on a scumread that is already universally suspected (VFP) without really being in contact with VFP to deduce an alignment directly? More so, why tailor an associative between two more players (Cyrus/Me). The list feels convenient to navigate a wagon onto another player in the event of a VFP-townflip that I think is likely.

I'm thinking Mastina may have outside factors going on that could affect her gameplay (plus deadline is different than other games), but I've mainly seen Mastina-town as someone who is more vocal or direct in the thread with their voice - and I'm not seeing that here.

I also understand that I'm projecting in some degree... This is a play I personally see myself doing as scum.

I don’t see scum!Mastina voting Flea for MO then killing fae, I would think scum!Mastina would probably be voting a buddy. I think she actually did that in a game I was in - try to get her buddy into the top spot, so voting Flea for MO makes me also think this is her towngame.

[Something_Smart]

Granted reping into a game with a day left to its already short ass deadline just to be turbolimmed has to fucking suck so like, sorry if that's the case SS - please post soon if you can.

I mean yes. But it's also hard to, like, post normally in a circumstance like that. I'm trying.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I think Cyrus is probably town but there was those weird questions. I don’t know.

no execute

for now

Why would we no exe here

Because I don’t know who to vote for. If you just don’t vote, it’s probably even worse.

[Something_Smart]

And if people want to kill me because of what Misty did then I have 0 defense against that

[Smoke and Mirrors]

He's town is why. He was the alternative to Kitty.

Are these related? Why can't the two top wagons be S/S?

It’s possible but in most cases, it’s statistically far more likely to either be S/T or T/T than S/S. I can actually only recall one or maybe 2 games at the most where the top two wagons were S/S.

[Something_Smart]

Well, who else is actually around right now? It only takes 4 votes to get an execution.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Damn. I'm not going to pretend I have a neatly wrapped up case for my vote or potential vote.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

He's town is why. He was the alternative to Kitty.

Are these related? Why can't the two top wagons be S/S?

Alright my dog woke me up. Looks like theres still time.
The likelihood of that is much lower than T/S on day 1, just given the ratio of town to scum and the lack of flips. I know it happens but odds are against it. Going to catchup now

[Smoke and Mirrors]

And if people want to kill me because of what Misty did then I have 0 defense against that

Who do you think is scum? I don’t think you are but I need an alternative.