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[T3]

cyrus spouts ridiculous and completely wrong theories regularly. His takes are usualy abhorrent. That is why cyrus is best read by intent and meta.

To put it in less words: He's really bad at playing town.

[Iecerint]

19. Dunnstall asking NDMath about ActionDan is scummy (220)

Why is that scummy?

In general, if A asks town!B to think about C, this usually has the effect of B thinking A is more town and C is more scum, regardless of the alignments of the players involved. This is because B usually perceives that A has benign interest in them (which reads as town to most people), and that A already has suspicion of C. This can also lead B to attack C on behalf of A. Together, this has an average beneficial effect to A regardless of A's alignment, but the strategy is more beneficial for scum!A. So, that's why it's scummy. HEM has done this I think 3 times so far. Dunnstall did it once that I can remember. So, it's the pattern of inquiry rather than anything specific about you or Dan.

(There are other explanations for this pattern depending upon contextual factors. For example, A might be unable to feel interested in the game unless they're generating the activity being discussed, and use this as a way to motivate themselves. But in this case, town!A will follow-up on what's made from their question above to try to solve the game, which I don't see HEM as having done. Or, A might be town but very avoidant of conflict, and engage peripherally as a result, including via strategies like this. But, I don't get the impression that HEM is conflict-avoidant, because they have had a high level of activity and playful engagement with the thread.)

[Iecerint]

I assume from the thing you also realized I was town (when I mock did it myself)? I didn't discover it until late; impressed you got it right away. If I was scum I'd be jerking off in the PT. (as I assume you would)

You mean about not knowing default-scum-multitasking? No, I saw that as NAI, because I think you have enough meta-cognitive ability to go either way on that (cf., WIFOM). Instead, my townDan is from content subsequent to your push on Cyrus. Nothing specific comes to mind, but the list I made is ordinal so I/you could probably figure out which push led me to that conclusion by looking at the posts on either side of where I posted I thought you were town.

[ActionDan]

Oh no, has to do with something else. Not my thing to reveal though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I feel like that wall from Iecerint was towny

[cyrus62]

cyrus spouts ridiculous and completely wrong theories regularly. His takes are usualy abhorrent. That is why cyrus is best read by intent and meta.

okay your town i dont think scum would do all that.

[cyrus62]

so t3 since you took the time do you think maybe nom is trying to pocket me?

[T3]

I don't think so. nom seems to know your meta and there was also that nom voted me for hyperposting but then moved off once I did a towny post.

[Testarossa]

Caught up.

Straight going to the Kitty/Elsa thing first. Tbh I didn't thought Kitty was looking bad there. Maybe sounding awkward with the early wagon thing, however I think his stance sounded believable from the point of view he explained, so that he genuinely thought it might have been a bad thing. I rather don't understand what he liked about hem's response to his vote though, since it was basically just omgus. Null, maybe more leaning town.

As for Elsa I really dislike that Titus vote, classic alibi vote imo. I don't necessarily agree with nom's 223. Last game I played with her she wasn't cheery either and more "stiff" and kind of rolled over when our votes were piling up on her and it ended up as a miselim, so I am not sure that is a good (stand alone) reason for a vote. Then again I only have one game played with Elsa yet. What I have seen from her ever since she is the frontrunner wagon is nothing new to me, although she lacks some "mockery" imo and comes across a bit submissive - meaning more survivalistic. Somewhere between null and scumlean.

[Testarossa]

I got a slight townlean on Dunn for 238, because that's exactly the same observation regarding Nero/T3 I had at that point.

ActionDan could be town too, despite remembering me on a bad 90s TV ad with his name. I liked his take on Elsa's Titus vote and how he went into detail, like not in a damning way, just comprehensible.

I can see in nom what hem is seeing, more or less. It feels kind of like tagging along and not too much of a fan of the T3 and Elsa votes. Mild scumlean. One noticeable thing was the strong reaction regarding cyrus at one point, when he started to townread cyrus. What was it, that was triggering you in this regard? @nom The sarcastic tone?

[Testarossa]

Strongest scumlean is T3 though.

Went through his ISO after finishing reading. Starting with 133 he starts talking about just ignoring cyrus and literally almost every post from then is about cyrus, besides a Titus townread, one post about Gamma and that little dialogue with me. Then he jumps on the Elsa wagon for the scum pocket reason (where I can't help but think that someone on the wagon is coasting on that argument, independent on Elsa's alignment), but never really interacted with Elsa in order to sort her like hem as example.

The focus on cyrus is odd and I can think of a few reasons. However I feel that Elsa vote was kind of lazy in context of his treatment of her slot.

VOTE: T3

I want to hear more from you. Are you cool with everyone else on the wagon? Still scum on Kitty?

[T3]

You're not looking at my ISO in context. Most of the discussion was centered around cyrus, so I decided to metaread cyrus.

[Sirius9121]

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[Testarossa]

You're not looking at my ISO in context. Most of the discussion was centered around cyrus, so I decided to metaread cyrus.

I know. My point is I feel like you came already in 432 to the conclusion that he is town and you metadived him nonetheless. Just not certain enough about him being town or did you felt the need to defend him? Like I said, I can think of many reasons here, positive as negative. I just find it curious that you spend a lot of effort on this townread, yet the scumhunting part falls really flat.

[nomnomnom]

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone who has read my iso when I started townreading Cyrus

[cyrus62]

yay i can use this now

[T3]

19. Dunnstall asking NDMath about ActionDan is scummy (220)

Why is that scummy?

In general, if A asks town!B to think about C, this usually has the effect of B thinking A is more town and C is more scum, regardless of the alignments of the players involved. This is because B usually perceives that A has benign interest in them (which reads as town to most people), and that A already has suspicion of C. This can also lead B to attack C on behalf of A. Together, this has an average beneficial effect to A regardless of A's alignment, but the strategy is more beneficial for scum!A. So, that's why it's scummy. HEM has done this I think 3 times so far. Dunnstall did it once that I can remember. So, it's the pattern of inquiry rather than anything specific about you or Dan.

(There are other explanations for this pattern depending upon contextual factors. For example, A might be unable to feel interested in the game unless they're generating the activity being discussed, and use this as a way to motivate themselves. But in this case, town!A will follow-up on what's made from their question above to try to solve the game, which I don't see HEM as having done. Or, A might be town but very avoidant of conflict, and engage peripherally as a result, including via strategies like this. But, I don't get the impression that HEM is conflict-avoidant, because they have had a high level of activity and playful engagement with the thread.)

Your point makes sense but I don't know if that was what Dunn was trying to do.

[Dunnstral]

like not only is he a decent oldtimer but upon his return in like summer of last year he has been on a TEAR

My first game with cabd was the one kitty's referring to, and cabd there and cabd in yggdrasil felt like two very different people.



I have townleans on Titus and Gamma.
Specifically liked Titus's posts on Kitty.
For gamma, their hem scumread feels real and with good reasoning.

Am guttown on Cyrus as well, but that might just be his simplistic/straightforward posting style.

I agreed with the Gamma/Cyrus reads here and wanted to se e how in sync we were
As it turns out, I am leaning town on Actiondan, but wonder what his scum range looks like

[humaneatingmonkey]

My wind has been taken away from me.

[Elsa Jay]

Why's that, HEM?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You know why

[Elsa Jay]

Well then since it's finally completed will you unvote me now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why lol I caught you the same way I caught you last time. You're TMI-ing hard on Kitty earlier and hard defending a slot you have no business hard defending.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Since we've last talked, you still haven't been trying to solve this game the way you postured yourself you would be at the start of that game. Where's the sorting of the hard slots? I asked you to sort Almost50, someone you claimed last game that you could absolutely sort, and still nothing. There are 17 players, and still nothing. No readlist, no activity, nada.

Unless you're in E-1, I don't think I'll change my mind here

[humaneatingmonkey]

Just now you went for Kitty, and your reasons are absolutely unclear