Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.09

Lockheed C-130 Hercules

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Elimination

JamesTheNames

(3): Psyche, Roden, T3

Nancy Drew 39

(2): Val89, JamesTheNames

Psyche

(1): ClarkBar

Val89

(1): Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting

(2): GrandpaMo, Chuck Shurley

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-06 10:00:49).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

[Val89]

OMGUS is a trap town can fall into when getting scum cased by another town. Nobody is openly declaring their reasoning is OMGUS, because the second they realise its a factor, they are no longer falling into the trap, if that makes sense.

My point is that I don't think Nancys vote of me is any sort of OMGUS - she isn't reading me as scum because I read her as scum (that's OMGUS), instead it seems to me like she is reading me as to wn leaning, but using her vote to express her displeasure at my 'attitude'. She even says as she votes me:

I’m really getting irritated with your attitude. Do better.

Like Psyche said, and I think it's a fair point, that your vote is a tool that can be used for more than simply achieving an elimination.

Using it to scold a townread doesn't seem like an appropriate use of that tool, if you are town yourself. Might make sense if you are scum and figure it might help convince that town to stop bringing heat onto your slot, though.

[Psyche]

i havent run the numbers just yet but im pretty sure that in general (perhaps not in this game) an OMGUS by itself is NAI in the slightest

[T3]

I feel like I'm having a"GuyInFreezer moment" where I have a locktownblock that will turn out to be dead wrong.

[GrandpaMo]

gotta say i'm often rather confused by the things you guys find confusing
like, didn't we cover this?

can u give me us ur reads?

i feel like u havent contributed nothing imo

can u answeer mi question mi amigo

[JamesTheNames]

Part of me dislikes the fact I've come to town read/lean both T3 and GrandpaMo...

[GrandpaMo]

Part of me dislikes the fact I've come to town read/lean both T3 and GrandpaMo...

i dont scumread u .

i think ur spot is like half town. and that there is way more scummy ppl than u

im just waiting on a question be answered because psyche has like done nothing in this game and is getting away wit it

[GrandpaMo]

i also thought lunarrest was a little weary as well.

they havent contributed nothing as well. possible gamesolve?

[Chuck Shurley]

I am lunarrest now, and I have contributed, you just kneejerk reacted to my read.

[GrandpaMo]

I am lunarrest now, and I have contributed, you just kneejerk reacted to my read.

oh i forgot bout u honestly

uh let me reread ur iso real quick

also that means u probably had stuff that wasnt memorable lets see

[GrandpaMo]

I've skimmed up to here but need to go back and do a more thorough read when it isn't the middle of my work day.

Immediate impressions:

val89 and Nancy's spat = classic TvT tunneling imo.

Clark and Roden townie mc townerson game solving attempts

T3 null until I do a careful read through...the only post of theirs that stood out on skim was noticing Grandpa talking about knowing alignment and I need to see if that's because the rest of their posts are scummy fluff or just unmemorable.

Psyche null. On one hand could be experienced player poking beehives to get the game rolling, on the other could be scum trying to stir chaos.

I want Blurry to come back and talk more, because that post seems disingenuous and I don't like it, but one post is...one post.

Don't like Grandpa.


Okies. Be back later.

eh you coming in and immediately finding scum on blurry then having the wildcards such as t3 and psyche as null because you dont know how they play then just saying you dont like me for no reason. im expecting a reason for all these reads, (i hope u werent caught up by that time)

Sometimes not giving a reason gets better results than giving one.

The answer to your parenthetical is in my post.

LMAO THIS ???


OMG UR THAT PERSON.

pls

[GrandpaMo]

yup u havent contributed nothing. you also said u were gonna read the game more thoroughly have u done that ?

im giving u the benefit of the doubt here.

if u are town, can u tell me what u have learned since then?

[JamesTheNames]

yup u havent contributed nothing. you also said u were gonna read the game more thoroughly have u done that ?

im giving u the benefit of the doubt here.

if u are town, can u tell me what u have learned since then?

Wait are we in agreeance 314 is not town sided?

[Chuck Shurley]

I initially scum read you because you're reactive and there was plenty of reason to post intent to hammer on your wagon, but no one did, which I was strongly believing was your team mate either roosting on your slot for town cred, or pushing people to doubt so they'd stop voting for you.

I scumread blurry because their one real post felt like posturing -saying one thing, such as "this is town" then subtly undermining that assessment in the following sentences—up to and including null-reading my slot but still strongly casting doubt on motive. However, it was just one slot, I have no insight into how they play or if they've played before, and that could as easily be insecurity as it could be scum.

So...I didn't give a reason for my scum read on you in my list because I wanted to see how you and blurry would react. You snapped back at me, which I expected, but blurry-slot immediately jumped down my throat about that specific action being scummy, which I did not expect from a scum mate since it's obvious buddying. So either you're both idiots (which commentary from people who have played with you does not seem to support), or one or both of you are town.

Or, you know, I'm wrong, because Mafia is a bitch. But that's where I'm at.

[GrandpaMo]

yup u havent contributed nothing. you also said u were gonna read the game more thoroughly have u done that ?

im giving u the benefit of the doubt here.

if u are town, can u tell me what u have learned since then?

Wait are we in agreeance 314 is not town sided?

yes, i wanted to respond to it later on. but u see ignored it just in case chuck was going to post on a later date there more "thorough reads" or whatever the case that chuck has explicitly said in there earlier posts. ig that blantant reads other than explaining them usually come from replacements, thats what i have observed. 2nd part is true, that did answer my question. but that whole narrative felt unmotivated -- meaning like they post this and never make up a follow up later on. chuck did explain some of there reads, and instantly in 314 imply they didnt, which contradict there whole narrative originally.

seems weird to me tbh

[GrandpaMo]

I initially scum read you because you're reactive and there was plenty of reason to post intent to hammer on your wagon, but no one did, which I was strongly believing was your team mate either roosting on your slot for town cred, or pushing people to doubt so they'd stop voting for you.

I scumread blurry because their one real post felt like posturing -saying one thing, such as "this is town" then subtly undermining that assessment in the following sentences—up to and including null-reading my slot but still strongly casting doubt on motive. However, it was just one slot, I have no insight into how they play or if they've played before, and that could as easily be insecurity as it could be scum.

So...I didn't give a reason for my scum read on you in my list because I wanted to see how you and blurry would react. You snapped back at me, which I expected, but blurry-slot immediately jumped down my throat about that specific action being scummy, which I did not expect from a scum mate since it's obvious buddying. So either you're both idiots (which commentary from people who have played with you does not seem to support), or one or both of you are town.

Or, you know, I'm wrong, because Mafia is a bitch. But that's where I'm at.

i never snapped back at u. this post is manipulative, i just gave you my initail thought process on how that post made. u even later responded in 314 that giving no reasons was better than not explaining. then u decide to explain after being exposed and call it "reaction" posts. lol

[GrandpaMo]

So...I didn't give a reason for my scum read on you in my list because I wanted to see how you and blurry would react.

this reminds me of me playing scum. just give the old classic reactive post shit and hope town goes wit it.

i dont buy it.

[GrandpaMo]

also, something to take note, is that you only have explained those reads, your scumreads. who said not to explain ur townreads? your narrative starts to fall from here...

[Chuck Shurley]

Dude, you did snap back at me. You may not think you did, but you did. How you intended a thing and how a thing actually came across can and usually are two different things.

Not giving a reason DID give me information- it told me that either you or James or both are town. You can try to twist that into a scum read if you want, but it's not going to help town.

[Chuck Shurley]

I gave explanations for my town reads. Val and Nancy were going at each other in a way that has, in my experience (albeit it's been years since I last played) is indicative of TvT tunneling.

Roden is actively game solving. Clark is actively game solving. They're going through posts trying to find patterns and information and engaging people in ways that could be really good scum playing the field, but is probably just straight up town trying to figure shit out.

I'm not the only one who is meh about Psyche and T3, so scum reading me for not reading differently seems just a tad hypocritical.

Which part of these reads would you like me to explain further?

[Chuck Shurley]

You are correct, however: I did promise a thorough read and I haven't delivered. On it.

[GrandpaMo]

Dude, you did snap back at me. You may not think you did, but you did. How you intended a thing and how a thing actually came across can and usually are two different things.

Not giving a reason DID give me information- it told me that either you or James or both are town. You can try to twist that into a scum read if you want, but it's not going to help town.

i null read u rn atm. im just jsut tryna get accross in both worlds where u could be scum in another world where u are town.

[GrandpaMo]

Roden is actively game solving. Clark is actively game solving.

alright give me examples then

[GrandpaMo]

Dude, you did snap back at me. You may not think you did, but you did. How you intended a thing and how a thing actually came across can and usually are two different things.

Not giving a reason DID give me information- it told me that either you or James or both are town. You can try to twist that into a scum read if you want, but it's not going to help town.

i null read u rn atm. im just jsut tryna get accross in both worlds where u could be scum in another world where u are town.

also i believe i just tried to solve ur allignment from the beginning which correlated into u not giving explanations. heck u even admitted so rn

[JamesTheNames]

Dude, you did snap back at me. You may not think you did, but you did. How you intended a thing and how a thing actually came across can and usually are two different things.

Not giving a reason DID give me information- it told me that either you or James or both are town. You can try to twist that into a scum read if you want, but it's not going to help town.

i null read u rn atm. im just jsut tryna get accross in both worlds where u could be scum in another world where u are town.

also i believe i just tried to solve ur allignment from the beginning which correlated into u not giving explanations. heck u even admitted so rn

LAMIST.