micro 1017 is over party

[T3]

VOTE: Toog for good measure.

[tʃɹɪs]

way to spoil follow in my footsteps and spoil the fun lol. (it think it's 4 though let me check)

[skitter30]

Oh 4 with toog but its 5 to hammer

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:
Like if we're not ready to end fay yet but this is my preferred flip

[T3]

Oh wait nvm we need 5 to hammer.

[tʃɹɪs]

toog self voted so it's PaSaSN17T-1

pedit:yeah

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.3 !

Toogeloo (3):

T3, pob long, Toogeloo

T3 (2):

Retti, Datisi

skitter30 (1):

Rhyme and Reason

Rhyme and Reason (1):

tSjIs

not voting (1):

skitter30

with 8 alive, it takes 5 to point at someone and say "no" seventeen times. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-07-07 22:00:00)

modorator notes

• Datisi has Increased Charisma for this day phase; any player who disagrees with a statement he makes will take 1 HP of damage once the day is over. to "disagree" in this case is to speak in opposition to a claim that Datisi has made, while obviously addressing the statement to them (determined at mod discretion). each player may take one damage at most.
  
• skitter30 is vla fridays and saturdays

[Toogeloo]

Not gonna lie, I'm a bit excited to see what happens when I'm gone.

[Datisi]

there was a part of me that was thinking about Actually hammering toog while they were on y-1 because i'm starting to hate this day. i am proud of myself for resisting the temptation and deciding to wait for people to catch up.

[Retti]

I do feel better abt the damage plan if toog holsters if we flip greeni would vastly prefer him and am dubious that t3's willingness to flip here comes from scum
If we flip t3/pob today i want toog tomorrow

Also my retti read sort of evaporates when he stops posting

Oh good at least

someone

in this game acknowledges my existence in some form

Yeah it just became increasingly hard for me feel connected to the discussion for a bit and no one seemed to acknowledge what I'd said to even argue against it


But I'll say that while I still feel like the way t3 acted d1 relative to his claim doesn't make a ton of sense and his stances baffle me, him offering to just lay himself on the train tracks and be eliminated is

probably

townie?

UNVOTE:

I'm not entirely sure why we're just shuffling toward a toog vote either

tʃɹɪs - check if someone is damaged, used on Datisi, he was not (I think? this wasn't made explicit but I assume that's what her second post of the day means)
pob long - gulp potion, no effect
T3 - no potions
Rhyme and Reason - damaged tris
skitter30 - fruit vendor potion to R&R
Datisi - charisma potion
Toogeloo - no action
Retti - restored 1 HP to skitter

Fully confirmed actions: skitter30, Datisi
Confirmable in the future: Rhyme and Reason
Can be corroborated but not confirmed: tris, Retti
Unconfirmable: pob long, T3, Toogeloo

Skitter, if you're wondering what scum would claim if they didn't want to claim an attack, those bottom two rows are your answer.

-Reason

This is what I was trying to get at earlier w/r/t night actions, scum are going to claim something that can't be verified and so those things are inherently suspect to me

[Retti]

i should probably just claim to ensure that toog doesn't kill me if town. pub long can confirm that i am town.

ya

why i was confused about some stuff and asking you about using 2 potions because you said you knew about no body hurting Datsi but i also got told by schladd your town and it did'nt look like my gulp potion told me that.

Wait what

[Retti]

Okay tris is

probably

a legitimate town power role because otherwise the setup doesn't make sense but the reveal that she could use more than one potion sort of destroys the assumption that a verifiable potion action = town

[Retti]

Okay yeah, just wanted to make sure. We have a gulp potion as well, so pob is very likely telling the truth about that.

-Reason

oh ok then
they're probably town then
don't really want to flip them honestly

I feel like this is probably a faulty assumption? The OP says scum have

some

kind of factional information, and given the fact that scum probably cannot true claim their potions, I'd imagine they might be given safe claims to make, because otherwise town can just confirm each other if there's similar potions between their inventories. Like, that is the thing that actively makes more sense to me as the reason for an early claim from him.

Like otherwise people are reading pob's bluster as townie and I'm not really sure I get it at all? In this situation scum can't afford to be eliminated because if they die they lose all their potions and that possibly just gives town autowin seeing as scum have limited damage, so playing with...a survivalist mindset here makes perfect sense, and I actually find him way scummier than T3 or Toog at this point?

And even though I healed her I feel officially kind of sketchy about how skitter is treating the momentum on toog to be something of an inevitability because it feels like she wants it to happen but can't really justify it

But then I don't know what scum were doing with their damage last night if she wasn't attacked


I think these mechanics are going to break me

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Datisi

Diving into the deep end here.

First and foremost, without a factional night kill, I suspect that the charisma potion is scum aligned.

Secondly, I went through their ISO, and it just seems to me they were moving along with the flavor of the moment, and felt like not trying to ruffle feathers. Nothing was really town-telling to me, and I could easily see the posts coming as either alignment. There were even a few examples of Titus' "Rule of Three," in there.

I think the above post feels a bit fake too.

---

The game has gotten dull, I'm swinging for the fences on this one.

Retti and R&R are town. Tris probably town.

[Retti]

I'm not sure why scum would have a mechanic that operates publicly, though? Like that just seems stupid.

[Retti]

VOTE: pob long

I actually think I want to go this way because I don't really like what he's been posting at all

[Retti]

im am really hating all the talking about eliminating based on mechanics we dont even know about from Retti and Skitter. scummy Toog already said something like that for me, and not all of you can be scums thought. Are we not doing any real scum hunting this game, huh Townies???? given up? where is your chutzpah????

Like this whole post just feels Off, I don't like how he is characterizing my reads as "eliminating based on mechanics we dont even know about" when that's Not Really what I was doing - I was working off what felt like a plausible POE at the time, as well as people's claims, and he reduces it down to That.

In addition, he's been deathtunneling toogeloo for 300 pages now, and as far as I can tell the only reason for it is Toog doesn't believe pob's claim? Which is not really a case at all.

[Retti]

Okay, that wasn't quite accurate, but I still don't really like this:

My "up to page 8" read list..

Rhyme and Reason
pob long
Datisi
T3
tSjIs
bugspray
---
Retti
skitter30

I think my top 3 should not be executed today.

pob long drops down to null-scum. My original impression was that pob long was the most basic of vanilla's since they had a potion that did nothing, however they have admitted to having two potions that do nothing or have unknown effects, and this I refuse to believe. I believe pob long is fucking with us.

In short, my current two scum reads are skitter and pob long.

HUH????? how did I go from there to here only from reasons that are making random guesses about the setup????

@pob you still owe me a q from yesterday i think, abt who are your townreads

tho at this point scumreads would be appreciated as well

Tijirls you retti and kind of skitter are who i think is town

Toog is the scummiest. T3 next. I dont feel as bad about RR as i did before but i dont feel as very good either.

why do you rather kill 2 people you dont think are as scummy. its a crap plan

I mean i dont really want to but its not looming looking like i can get toog today

why do you say that? i think toog is obvious scum and there is more than a week still left to play

Get pob long or T3 at -1 HP, execute the other. I'll poke the one at -1 HP, if someone else has a poke potion, they can poke me tonight, or you can execute me tomorrow and use tonight and tomorrow night worrying about MeLo after my mis-elim if it gets that far.

i feel like i am living on a different PLANET??????? DID YOU ALL TAKE A CRAZY PILL BEFORE THIS GAME HUH????? why did everyone in this game decide were not playing mafia anymore insted were gona shoot people Willy Nilly and see what happens because nobody even knos how the setup works????? I am really losing my nuts!!!!!!!!!!

nobody even knos how the setup works

thus is actually wrong

also, they have some amount of factional information and daytalk.

the mafia knows how things work more than us

toog, how can you be so sure your plan isnt extremely bad for town and good for mafia? you dont. YOU DONT IF YOUR TOWN. so only a scum can be so sure that they can give a plan like this and keep pushing the idea confidently. it is so so so obvious.

if toogoo gets their way then every body will have 1 damage tonight basicly, and we kno mafia probably has a hard time doing 2 damage in 1 night or else i would except a kill on the first night not to be wasted unless someone was protected or block

I'm impressed we haven't talked about the lack of no night kill all day lol.

there is not a factional nightkill.

Hmm...

sooooooo sosososo fake. pretending not to know stuff. WOW

everyone said they were dubois of toog when he was saying 'shoot me', now he sees what to do for us to give him a pass

toog cared the most about night time discussions, but was the last to claim what they did last night? huh??

Like look at all his, I know he's funny gimmick account speak bad so everyone ignores his posts, but it essentially starts of with him OMGUSing toogeloo because Toogeloo didn't believe his claim, and then it just follows by him saying toog is obvious somehow and making the most reachy excuses, such as: he is scum for wanting to use his potion to vig someone, toog wants to damage everyone (not true), he's "faking" not knowing things, he claimed his night action last (because...he didn't have one)

Like is this the guy people have decided to just sheep today?

[Toogeloo]

It's 4th of July weekend for the American folks. I'm 100% down to execute pob long this day, but we kind of need support, and I couldn't even push my own lim through lol.

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Datisi

Diving into the deep end here.

First and foremost, without a factional night kill, I suspect that the charisma potion is scum aligned.

Secondly, I went through their ISO, and it just seems to me they were moving along with the flavor of the moment, and felt like not trying to ruffle feathers. Nothing was really town-telling to me, and I could easily see the posts coming as either alignment. There were even a few examples of Titus' "Rule of Three," in there.

I think the above post feels a bit fake too.

(1) the information about the game says "no factional nightkill" but we don't know whether scum has damage potions or how many of them (that they may or may not publically claim). so the idea that "no factional nightkill, therefore public damage mechanic must be scum aligned" is stupid.

(2) i hope you're supposed to be talking about day 1 here, because if you're trying to make a scumcase that i'm "not trying to ruffle feathers" on day 2 i'm gonna laugh. assuming you are talking about day 1, i wanna hear you elaborate on this, because i feel like i spent the whole day one trying to sort people as best as i could.

the "rule of three" is the associate-hunting rule that, if scum mentions three people, one of them is a partner, right? do i even have to explain why it's either bad-faith or just playin bad to be trying to apply that rule to scumread an unflipped person?

also uh. i find it kind of curious that this post was only made after both t3 and skitter presented the idea that i could be scum scum or said they found something about me weird

[Retti]

I went and did a dive, and here are some context-free quotes from SK!pob, decide for yourself if he sounds similar to here:

Spoiler:

If Guillo was hit by both teams as role blocker I imagine either scum knows Ari is lying or scum would counterclaim and I'm not seeing any of the latter here.

why? Wouldn't it be smarter to let him get miselim'ed?

????? why would he lie if hes town

and why would guiltina say all thos things before getting almost voted if they were`nt the roleblocker???

VOTE: ASTROPANTS

your so so so scum

I dont believe hes the 'roleblocker' i think it was guiltina and he killed the real one so he knows it s safe

he did`nt even barley ask any questions to DGB and he said he though they were so scum he wasted two actions but did`nt do anything to stop it

do nt ignore astro is dogging my questions

I feel solid about catboi being town and think you at least aren’t scum with BM. Ari and POV both aren’t really towny rn but I’d rather elim the claimed Vat over the claimed RB, even if the RB hasn’t acted entirely to how he probably should have.

IT DOSNT MATTER WE LOSE IF WE KILL A TOWN TODAY IF IT IS A POWERFULL ROLE OR NOT

but atro is being so scummy

Tbh I wasn’t entirely aware of that, but even then last time I did the town-leader thing I led almost all 4 miselims
So there’s a bit of trepidation there yaknow?

Ultimately you're going to be a decisive vote anyway so you need to think about it.

I'm not sure pob's confidence is particularly AI, as scum here I think he'd

need

to push on the roleblocker claim if he believes it to be legitimate. I also...don't...really...townread...anything from him.

What are the chk/bm anti-associatives?

Also want to hear from Ari on what his reads are.

I dont believe it one bit did you see my posts

WHY WOULD I PUSH IF I BELIEVE IT

Astro just said I am (''pob long') town but all thos new posts had parts trying to scare me.....WHO WANTS TO SCARE TOWNIES???and make me look like scum to gamma

VOTE: Astro

so scummy trying to do everything to not to get votes

why would I try to vote scum so much times if im scum too i need help doing kills

so scummy trying to do everything to not to get votes

...you mean making cases and reviewing the game to make an informed decision with the highest chances of hitting scum?

Yeah, how evil of me.

and saying im town but convinsing trying to convinse gamma that im scummy

YOU STILL IGNORED MY QUESTION

you do nt want to look bad calling me scum because i already called you scum but you hope everyone thinks i am

AM I SO TOWN OR SO SCUM TO YOU????

[Retti]

T3 an Toog both being essentially willing to die really throws my reads into flux, I need to reconsider people I'd been writing off

[Retti]

@tʃɹɪs:

Why'd you choose to friendly neighbor pob, btw?

[Datisi]

eeeh, not sure we should be looking at someone's sk!meta to figure out if they're groupscum or not.

why is t3 being willing to die / take damage that townie to you? he wasn't in an exactly good position before, and people often don't wanna yeet someone who's asking for it.

[Retti]

I'm talking about the aggressive tonality and half-baked reasoning from pob, the push there feels similar to here. I guess the confounding factor is that since it was multiball we're not sure if his push was sincere or not, buut I also looked at his towngame and this one feels a lot closer to his play as SK than as town.

And as for T3, I dunno, he's a newbie and most newbies don't pull the self-sacrifice gambit, in my experience. That's especially true here because no factional kill etc etc