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[Dwlee99]

Agreed on PT cop + masons making sense

[VFP]

Gamma, are you only claiming odd night PT cop?
No other modifiers, correct?

[Dragon of the West]

bleeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: StD

[VFP]

UNVOTE: Gamma
I changed my mind.

I want to clarify this is not me saying that I think Gamma is town.
I still think with the fake meta, trying to hammer and lack of anything to suggest Dragon was a check that Gamma is plausible scum here.

The way Nom posts back to Raith day1 outside of what Dwlee posted though is a good indicator that they aren't direct scum together. The post that took my fancy the most was when Raoth says Nom and Osuka were scum, Nom replies back concerning Osuka. That seems odd from scum to do.
Maybe Gamma is a traitor here telling his scum buddy(s) and Dragons is just scum.
It would be strange for traitor Raith to only name Nom and Osuka and not scum Dragons in the mentioned post above. So I'm unsure here.

The swapping between Osuka, and going against Nom, voting Nom seems out of place as a direct scum team.

Regardless, Gamma is traitor scum if scum.

[VFP]

bleeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: StD

Why are you voting someone with a confirmed check on them?

[Dwlee99]

bleeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: StD

Why are you voting someone with a confirmed check on them?

Seconding this?

[VFP]

So I'm happy with the town pool of.
DGB, DotW, Dwlee, Chaos

Knocking on the door
Andre, T3, SSBM

To be sorted
Anya, Gamma, Dragons

Left
Titus

Who does Titus make sense as scum with here?

We also have to consider the possibility of all the roles as town. Before hand when Titus was advising that the JK was basically just there for Cyrus didn't match up.
If the PT cop is real, this stops checks on scum as well, right? If self targeted.

So in that sense it favours Gamma.
I'm not sure I like a Titus / Anya team though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, are you only claiming odd night PT cop?
No other modifiers, correct?

yes

[VFP]

So in that sense it favours Gamma.

Favours as town, not scum.

[Dwlee99]

Jailkeeper doesn't stop checks, that would be a rolestopper iirc. Jailkeeper would directly block the PT cop from getting a check.

[VFP]

Jailkeeper doesn't stop checks, that would be a rolestopper iirc. Jailkeeper would directly block the PT cop from getting a check.

Ah okay, yes.
I still think it favours the claim. It does also discredit Anya's claim to a degree.

If Anya is scum and Gamma is town, Gamma is dead tonight anyway (obviously not limited to this though).

Do you think scum Titus just sits and bus here?

[VFP]

Gamma having lack of modifiers doesn't favour town Gamma here though.
What exactly did Titus claim?

[Dwlee99]

Busses who? Dragons or?

[Dragon of the West]

Brain fart. I reverted my vote back to who it was on before Anya without thinking because it's been made clear we're giving Gamma the night to investigate Anya so Anya's not getting limmed. Should've unvoted or done this:

VOTE: Andres

[Dwlee99]

Titus claimed babysitter enabler

[Gamma Emerald]

so u dont think the designers made the enabler be opposite alignments

i was a mailman enabler in a game that had only scum mailman

btw who were these @

[VFP]

Titus claimed babysitter enabler

Titus, just to confirm you have no other modifiers, correct?

[VFP]

Also maybe Titus' role is town because punishing a scum elimination with a ungated vigilante seems cruel

I guess this?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I think Titus is town
I BELIEVE VFP and kyouko should know why

[VFP]

yeah I think Titus is town
I BELIEVE VFP and kyouko should know why

I have no idea why.
Tell me.

[Dragon of the West]

so u dont think the designers made the enabler be opposite alignments

Typically when an enabler acts on a different alignment's role it would be to reduce its power. So, for instance, the town mailman enabler disables scum mailman, decreasing the power. This idea is good because it can reduce swing in a setup by making a role gated in some way. For instance, if town cop catches the cop enabler mafia role, then the cop gets disabled and can't catch anyone else.

In this case, the enabler actually makes the role

stronger

. Before, the babysitter was effectively a visitor with a kill if the babysitter died. When the enabler dies, the role becomes an ungated vigilante. If the enabler was scum, this would make the setup extremely swingy as now if the enabler dies, the mafia are not only down a player but also unleashed a vigilante onto the game.

this was Dwlee's response to that Rathe post

[Dwlee99]

btw who were these @

[Dwlee99]

Site deleted my reply: as DotW said, me

[Gamma Emerald]

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I think Titus is town
I BELIEVE VFP and kyouko should know why

I have no idea why.
Tell me.

no. figure it out yourself. StD should also know, but I forgot to mention him because I had this citation in mind already when looking at those two Rathe posts and my reason I was going to cite it was because I was thinking those were @ StD in which case I was gonna call StD out a bit on an oversight