Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

Yes, Nakata thinks that clidd tends to not be so methodical as scum and to struggle more to maintain his levels of effort, which Nakata is not seeing here. Furthermore, Nakata believes that friend Clidd does not enjoy playing scum very much and yet he seems genuinely happy to be here and to be playing which Nakata also thinks makes him town.

if clidd could respond to this as well that'd be helpful. thanks for the answer, too.

i still think your scumread on Tweetie isn't great, but the one on Ydrasse i like even less, i don't remember you giving justification for why they have an agenda in voting you besides that they're good at scum.

Chara keeps getting townier with each post.

[Chara]

<3 yay i try my best.

VOTE: Infinity
would you do this? i feel i'm hearing a lot about Infinity being towny but i'm not seeing how you can tell.

[Chara]

i'm still concerned with Nakata, i liked his explanation of his townreads but so far how he's talked about his scumreads hasn't convinced me, and the former is easier to fake.

[Amy Dunne]

ircher isn’t shmoozing or like... doing much of anything. he’s literally doing the opposite of things whereas in nancy v titus he was doing a lot as was his hydra partner like there was effort there to keep trying and churn out content to influence things which i see nothing of atm from him

This is why I unvoted Ircher, because if he’s scum then where is his agenda?

It sucks that I don’t have a confident sr yet.

Nakata, I still don’t like your pushes or why you think any are particularly good votes but I’m no longer sure you’re the best wagon but I don’t really know rn who is better?

Lots of slots have good scumgames but that doesn’t make them scum.

[Chara]

i do think Ircher could be scum here, and he's purposely using the angle of trying out a new playstyle/being upfront about his coasting to go ahead and coast. town Ircher has just as much incentive to scumhunt as scum Ircher does to fake scumhunt.

[Amy Dunne]

i do think Ircher could be scum here, and he's purposely using the angle of trying out a new playstyle/being upfront about his coasting to go ahead and coast. town Ircher has just as much incentive to scumhunt as scum Ircher does to fake scumhunt.

Could be.

So, I think my vote will be between, Nakata, Infinity and Ircher.

[clidd]

Alright, I finished catching up.

Nakata gives me mix feelings, probably due to the character, but I've liked his level of engagement with the game (and the discussion on the last few pages).

Not having a townlean/townread there, but I wouldn't mind keeping him alive for now (I also plan to expand on this topic at some point throughout the day).

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

I think Pooky is town here and Infinity seems to be really struggling with the game. What do you think Pooky?

[clidd]

Yes, Nakata thinks that clidd tends to not be so methodical as scum and to struggle more to maintain his levels of effort, which Nakata is not seeing here. Furthermore, Nakata believes that friend Clidd does not enjoy playing scum very much and yet he seems genuinely happy to be here and to be playing which Nakata also thinks makes him town.

if clidd could respond to this as well that'd be helpful. thanks for the answer, too.

i still think your scumread on Tweetie isn't great, but the one on Ydrasse i like even less, i don't remember you giving justification for why they have an agenda in voting you besides that they're good at scum.

His meta on me is correct.

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

I think Pooky is town here and Infinity seems to be really struggling with the game. What do you think Pooky?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

This is a recent Infinity scumgame.

[clidd]

I mean, I rarely have scum roll, but when it happens, my game is weaker and although I've somewhat enjoyed (to a certain extent) playing as scum on specific occasions, it's actually far more likely that I wouldn't be able to get the same fun as playing as town currently.

[clidd]

So yeah, quite correct.

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

I think Pooky is town here and Infinity seems to be really struggling with the game. What do you think Pooky?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

This is a recent Infinity scumgame.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=21297

Town!Infinity. Nakata was also in that game as well.

[clidd]

I don't think that her meta is that suggestive, but there is some motivation for her to be playing like this here.

[Amy Dunne]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35840

town!Nakata

He has no scumgames.

[clidd]

Regardless, it's a decent vote for information. I'll give a try:

VOTE: Infinity 324

[clidd]

@Infinity

I think you already know what I'm going to ask (reads, impressions, something to help read you, etc)

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: infinity

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck. if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

[clidd]

Extraordinarily towny post, Ydrasse.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: infinity

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck. if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Are you more confident on Nakata or Infinity?

I still can’t tell with Ircher.

I’m going to wait and see how Infinty responds because I think her reaction should hopefully be very telling but yeah I agree. I did think him pushing Infnity/me then you over Infinity was strange because her vote on him objectively looked the worst.

[Amy Dunne]

I meant Tweetie not Infinty.

[Ydrasse]

Extraordinarily towny post, Ydrasse.

<3 ty

(also my read on you i should be clear is town-lite, i think. i was going to make a tierlist but got lazy.)

VOTE: infinity

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck. if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Are you more confident on Nakata or Infinity?

I still can’t tell with Ircher.

I’m going to wait and see how Infinty responds because I think her reaction should hopefully be very telling but yeah I agree. I did think him pushing Infnity/me then you over Infinity was strange because her vote on him objectively looked the worst.

i'm more confident on nakata and i'm pissed that i lost my post where i broke down why but, he's a lot more scummy in a vacuum; infinity was nullscum for me and i was reminded of that by the fact that nakata like... brought her to my attention with his lack of voting on her. lol. she wasn't doing much of anything except making some posts that i didn't like but they were forgettable posts.

but i think that nakata's push on his voters (which i feel is very opportunistic; shift to xyz as maybe scum, i pick this one as probably town, these two bad but not with great reasoning and this one is scum but not going there, and then interact with one of the people a bit who i thought was bad but not with great reasoning, oh, they are pushing back let's move that bad-read onto someone else, feels ingenuine. like, maybe he really is re-evaluating but shrug!)

[Amy Dunne]

I meant Tweetie not Infinty.

I didn’t understand why Nakata was pushing Tweetie - than me - than you but not Infinity when she had the worst vote on him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I feel bad about mis-reading Infinity in the last game I played with her :< (we were T/T)

She does feel a bit scummier than usual but that's always been par for the course early

[Amy Dunne]

I feel bad about mis-reading Infinity in the last game I played with her :< (we were T/T)

She does feel a bit scummier than usual but that's always been par for the course early

So would you prefer Nakata or Ircher then? I don’t really see voting anyone else unless something changes.