Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

VC on this page

In other words, my mind is like:

Nakata elim -> Better for % of hitting scum;
Ircher elim -> Better for the game;

+1

Probably bad for the game, no elim. I regret no hammering now because I wasn’t sure if Ircher was the best elim and wanted to think more about it but I didn’t expect the current situation to happen, I really think no elim is what scum was actually gunning for - that or that at least one if not more of the 3 lead wagons had scum in them.

So, either scum was in Ircher/Nakata/Infinity or it’s in scum’s interest for mech reasons to no elim, because it doesn’t make sense otherwise that scum would be okay with this. If one of the 3 top wagons was on town/or an elim wasn’t bad for scum, this situation wouldn’t be happening,

[Amy Dunne]

i was thinking of a somewhat similar situation in a game i played a while ago. when the deadline plurality was approaching with s/t wagons, the game was insanely active. the next day, with t/t wagons, the game was really quiet approaching deadline. i know it's not necessarily the same situation, and this is a hectic game so god knows what is actually happening, but the fact that the game seems very resigned to infinity/nakata wagons is not giving me any good feelings about their yeets.

i still think the ircher/infinity/nakata pool is wrong, is there any other reason they are grouped together?

Unless Norwee is right about scum wincon being no elim, then why have we still not gotten one if all 3 are town?

[Flea The Magician]

Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...

I am officially frustrated with this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...

I am officially frustrated with this game.

If you don’t place your vote on an leading wagon and afterwards complain about being frustrated, i’m really not going to care.

[Amy Dunne]

Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...

I am officially frustrated with this game.

If enough people are online in the next 13 hrs, maybe we can get an elim on Nakata/Ircher/Infinity. My current order of preference but I’ll hamner any one of them just to get an elim.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Nakata

I don’t believe his Tweetie sr but I can move to Ircher or Infinity if that will get us an elim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As was said, there is plurality elim in deadline Amy.
So it will probably be an lottery of which runner up wagon flips. Assuming it was more than one. (I remember Ircher being E-1 at least.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless it’s plurality of the current wagons?

@Hectic Which is it?

[Hectic]

Unless it’s plurality of the current wagons?

@Hectic Which is it?

If there's no majority by the deadline, the person with the most votes will be sentenced. If multiple players are tied for the most votes, the player who reached the count first is sentenced.

[Hectic]

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Votecount 1.21

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Chara, clidd, Amy Dunne

[3] Ircher:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet

[3] Infinity 324:

Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE

[1] Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

[2] Not Voting:

Ircher, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Chara]

Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...

I am officially frustrated with this game.

what's frustrating you exactly? do you have a scumread?

[Chara]

this game has a weird vibe to it. i don't know if that means the majority is actually scum, though.

i don't know Ircher that well, but deciding to play this way doesn't seem totally out of character for him. i still think it could be a scum tactic though. but i'm not sure it's indicative of game weirdness as much as Ircher weirdness.

Infinity has definitely been weirdly low-energy, but she might just be legitimately low energy. Amy has felt normal, Tweetie's been normal, Tanner also feels normal, thoigh i admittedly have not been paying him too much attention yet AI-wise. and Pooky, and Ydrasse. Robert has been eh, i don't know him, but i don't really think he's been doing anything strange?

it's really just Ircher. Nakata also does seem to be making an effort not to be scumread, the "okay townreads unsatisfying scumread" thing is most of my read there, combined with the constructed reads thing and being too aware about how his progreasion is looking.

i also don't get what's frustrating Flea about the game besides Yin not being trustworthy. oh and Norwee has been pretty relatable this game and is probably one of my best townreads.

[Amy Dunne]

As was said, there is plurality elim in deadline Amy.
So it will probably be an lottery of which runner up wagon flips. Assuming it was more than one. (I remember Ircher being E-1 at least.)

When I found that Nakata appeasement post to Skitter, I realized that part of it wasn’t scum indicative but Nakata also had extremely well thought out and nuanced reads in that game and his reasoning on sr Tweetie, similar to me and Ydrasse, plus the trs on both Ircher and Infinity sound overconfident - which wouldn’t be sus if there were actually good reasons to confidently tr either of them.

He also said earlier that he sr Infinity but didn’t want to vote her, then later that Tweetie was setting her up for a miselim. Then he’s initially okay with Ircher but then says Tweetie’s scum pushing town!Ircher along with Norwee. Meanwhile Ircher has been doing nothing.

Wrt Infinity, I wouldn’t be opposed but it’s possible she’s just out of it like Pooky’s saying.

[Amy Dunne]

this game has a weird vibe to it. i don't know if that means the majority is actually scum, though.

i don't know Ircher that well, but deciding to play this way doesn't seem totally out of character for him. i still think it could be a scum tactic though. but i'm not sure it's indicative of game weirdness as much as Ircher weirdness.

Infinity has definitely been weirdly low-energy, but she might just be legitimately low energy. Amy has felt normal, Tweetie's been normal, Tanner also feels normal, thoigh i admittedly have not been paying him too much attention yet AI-wise. and Pooky, and Ydrasse. Robert has been eh, i don't know him, but i don't really think he's been doing anything strange?

it's really just Ircher. Nakata also does seem to be making an effort not to be scumread, the "okay townreads unsatisfying scumread" thing is most of my read there, combined with the constructed reads thing and being too aware about how his progreasion is looking.

i also don't get what's frustrating Flea about the game besides Yin not being trustworthy. oh and Norwee has been pretty relatable this game and is probably one of my best townreads.

You’ve changed your mind, you think I should vote Ircher?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Ircher

[Chara]

like after actually thinking about each player i'm unconvinced there's this big group of weird mechanical things. it feels like it's just Ircher who was doing a weird playstyle on purpose/made a bad joke.

i haven't been paying faer much attention but Flea's play has been underwhelming. 1308 does seem legitimate re: wanting to figure out how Yin works and get workable info, but there hasn't been a lot of actual hunting and i'm not sure this is actually how the Yin mechanic works, like i said enough grouping questions and the game is still broken if all of the answers can be trusted.

pedit: by "just Ircher" i meant Ircher's behavior is making the game seem more messed up than it is. i'm not sure he's actually an indicator there's something big and screwy going on as much as Ircher's behavior making everything else that's strange seem screwy because it's a Silent Star game.

[Flea The Magician]

huh, my working out isn't matching tweeties... hmmm

pedit: Flea ain't getting much better. The frustration is real I am in middle finger to the playerlist mode and doing my own thing.

[Chara]

i am okay with an Ircher elim still, he and Nakata could both be scum and that could also explain the way the votes are rn, i think. that sort of analysis isn't really my wheelhouse. as long as it's not a townread i'm not especially fussed abt who ultimately goes at this point.
though Infinity is my least-preferred out of those on the table.

i'm kind of regretting not giving Robert more attention, in part because of Tanner putting in the work there, but also because i've only really examined the motivations of a few slots so far.

pedit: i don't get why, though. you haven't said what you're upset about so it's hard to do anything about it.

[Chara]

Amy: what made you more confident i'm town?

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Votecounts

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Votecount 1.11

[5] Satoru Nakata:

Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, clidd, Infinity 324, Morning Tweet
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Votecount 1.13

[5] Infinity 324:

NorwegianboyEE, Tanner, Chara, clidd, Ydrasse
Joint moderator ISO.

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Votecount 1.15

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter
Joint moderator ISO.

@Yin

In votecount 1.13, how many scum are voting Infinity 324?

@Yang

Cats or dogs?

[Flea The Magician]

Question Edit

Spoiler: Votecounts

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Votecount 1.11

[5] Satoru Nakata:

Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, clidd, Infinity 324, Morning Tweet
Joint moderator ISO.

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Votecount 1.13

[5] Infinity 324:

NorwegianboyEE, Tanner, Chara, clidd, Ydrasse
Joint moderator ISO.

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Votecount 1.15

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter
Joint moderator ISO.

@Yin

Question Edit

In votecount 1.13 and excluding Tanner, how many scum are voting Infinity 324?

@Yang

Cats or dogs?

[Flea The Magician]

pedit: i don't get why, though. you haven't said what you're upset about so it's hard to do anything about it.

Answered your own question right there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Amy if you vote Nakata we can put them to E1 right now.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler:

• There are 4 criminals (286) across 3 factions (503)
  
  
• The public masonry is not criminal free. (503)
  
  Chara, Norwee and Pooky
  (282)
  
  
• Pooky has voted for a criminal as of post 981
  
  Ydrasse, Tweetie, Tanner, Chara
  (982)
  
  
• There is a maximum of 1 criminal in Amy, Robert and Tanner (1254)
  
  
• A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. (1254)
  
  Nakata, Infinity, Ircher
  
  
  
• Amy has voted at least 1 criminal.
  
  Chara, Ircher, Nakata, Infinity
  
  
  
• There are no truely criminal in Amy, Ydrasse and Ircher.
  
  
• There is at least 1 criminal voting Nakata in VC 1.11.
  
  Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, clidd, Infinity 324, Morning Tweet
  
  
  
• There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and Ircher

Suslist

• Chara (3)
  
• Norwee
  
• Pooky
  
• Tweetie
  
• Nakata (2)
  
• Infinity (3)
  
• Clidd

Grouplist

• MIN 1 -> Chara / Norwee / Pooky
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Ydrasse
  / Tweetie /
  Tanner
  / Chara
  
• MAX 1 ->

  Tanner

  /

  Amy

  /

  Robert
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Nakta / Infinity /
  Ircher
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Chara /
  Ircher
  / Nakata / Infinity
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Ydrasse
  /
  Amy Dunne
  / clidd / Infinity 324 / Morning Tweet
  
• MIN 1 ->

  Tanner

  /

  Ydrasse

  /

  Ircher

Clearlist

• Ircher - 1656
  
• Ydrasse - 1656
  
• Amy - 1656
  
• Robert - PoE bias-clear

Spoiler:

Amusingly, Tanner burned themselves there.

Anyone pushing for Ircher yeet is big sus, especially if you're in a min group list.

[Tanner]

Amusingly, Tanner burned themselves there.

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