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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:15 am

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In post 816, GrandpaMo wrote:i dont wanna go to a f3 tho, this f3 is scary

me, val, clark in a f3, instant loss for town and scum easily wins of whomever is scum between val and clark
In post 817, GrandpaMo wrote:heck even nancy staying alive in a f3, would be very worrisome of its own.

roden, idek if ur town but i believe if ur scum, then you won as well so gg
Nightmare scenario, because I honestly don’t know who I’d vote between Val and Clark. So if both Val and Clark vote you, it could possibly be that whichever one is scum wants the other in elo?

My working theory rn, is that scum only wants one of you, Roden, me in Elo. Me or Roden are probably the NK. I think if you get limmee today, we’re probably looking at either a Clark/Val/Roden F3 or a Clark/Val/me with Clark ahd Val most likely trying to push the other.

Rn, I’m leaning to it being Clark > Val but having both in Elo with either Roden or me, is I think the best case scenario for scum winning this.
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:15 am

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In post 824, ClarkBar wrote:I'm going to harp on the Chuck wagon again because scum is on it and it went too fast and I don't feel votes were justified.

Vote #1: Me for reasons I discuss all D2.

Vote #2: T3. No reason provided, but he was town so we can move on.

Vote #3: Val89. The end of shows that there is a scum pool that Val is picking from, and he picked Chuck. Why? Because my argument was strong? Because Chuck's defense was weak? In Val bolsters his reasoning for voting Chuck...
In post 714, Val89 wrote:I think the likleyhood is 90% that it is between you and Clark. My vote is on you, and I think you should flip first, because I think there is a slightly higher chance it is you over Clark, but it's a close call.
but unless I missed it I am unclear why there was a higher chance (in Val's mind) that Chuck was scum over me.

Vote #4: The hammer is courtesy of Grandpa. He asks permission to hammer but never receives it before doing so. is odd. Quotes Val about a topic unrelated to Chuck while hammering Chuck. Grandpa also never really mentions the arguments I made against Chuck. Grandpa does ask Chuck to make a town case for me, and when Chuck understandably (and reasonably) declines that appears to be the strike against for Grandpa, though Grandpa doesn't vote at that time. is reasonable, but is essentially aping of part of my existing argument against Chuck.

I am aware I'm the likely elimination today, so I want to bring up as much stuff that is running through my mind as possible, and that includes which vote is the most opportunistic between Grandpa and Val.
im down to vote val if u want
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:16 am

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In post 825, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 816, GrandpaMo wrote:i dont wanna go to a f3 tho, this f3 is scary

me, val, clark in a f3, instant loss for town and scum easily wins of whomever is scum between val and clark
In post 817, GrandpaMo wrote:heck even nancy staying alive in a f3, would be very worrisome of its own.

roden, idek if ur town but i believe if ur scum, then you won as well so gg
Nightmare scenario, because I honestly don’t know who I’d vote between Val and Clark. So if both Val and Clark vote you, it could possibly be that whichever one is scum wants the other in elo?

My working theory rn, is that scum only wants one of you, Roden, me in Elo. Me or Roden are probably the NK. I think if you get limmee today, we’re probably looking at either a Clark/Val/Roden F3 or a Clark/Val/me with Clark ahd Val most likely trying to push the other.

Rn, I’m leaning to it being Clark > Val but having both in Elo with either Roden or me, is I think the best case scenario for scum winning this.
thats why we lim between clark and val..?
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:18 am

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In post 824, ClarkBar wrote:but unless I missed it I am unclear why there was a higher chance (in Val's mind) that Chuck was scum over me.
I don't remember if I ever did explain it, but it was because I had initially townleaned you on D1, and only came into a scumlean as I re-read everything over the course of N1, whereas I hadn't ever had a moment I thought Chuck was town. To my mind, that made Chuck more likley to flip scum that you.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:19 am

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In post 824, ClarkBar wrote:Vote #4: The hammer is courtesy of Grandpa. He asks permission to hammer but never receives it before doing so. 732 is odd. Quotes Val about a topic unrelated to Chuck while hammering Chuck. Grandpa also never really mentions the arguments I made against Chuck. Grandpa does ask Chuck to make a town case for me, and when Chuck understandably (and reasonably) declines that appears to be the strike against for Grandpa, though Grandpa doesn't vote at that time. 701 is reasonable, but is essentially aping of part of my existing argument against Chuck.
lol i hammered because val was being annoying regarding me
supposedly pr fishing (which i still dont know how), so i just tried to prove to val that i was town by just hammering and just getting the flip over with
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:20 am

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In post 827, GrandpaMo wrote:thats why we lim between clark and val..?
No; she is suggested we Lim you and leave Clark and Me alive for D3; trusting whomever of her or Roden survives can correctly sort the scum between Me and Clark.

How did you take that to mean she was suggested we lim of of us?
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:20 am

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Maybe it is Val then? I thought Clark wanted to keep Val in Elo but if not, then I could be wrong?

If it is between those two and I lean to that, then whichever one is scum needs the other one in elo.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:22 am

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In post 830, Val89 wrote:
In post 827, GrandpaMo wrote:thats why we lim between clark and val..?
No; she is suggested we Lim you and leave Clark and Me alive for D3; trusting whomever of her or Roden survives can correctly sort the scum between Me and Clark.

How did you take that to mean she was suggested we lim of of us?
No, that is the exact opposite of what I said. :shifty:
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:23 am

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In post 811, GrandpaMo wrote:It was pretty late into the day and you already had tunneled him. You also should have been awared that there were multiple people scumreading them at the same time. Heck, I even thought chuck was scum and don't know why they flipped town.

I thought you were more townier than chuck in the case. And chuck's vote makes it an omgus. We literally agreed on that part.
I think "tunneling" is a little unfair considering there wasn't much of an opportunity for me to explore other possible scum candidates. Late in the day? The day had just begun.

You are right that Chuck wasn't doing a spectacular job defending himself, and his OMGUS vote was exactly that, so you are right there as well.

Goddamit. Well, I'm at E-1 and we can't have me and Val in the game together going forward. I am vanilla, so I can go.
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:24 am

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Ok. My last vote switch. I promise. Provided some hug slip, of course.

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

VOTE: Val89

Regardless if I'm hammered or not I hope my vote will be on the right side of history.
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:25 am

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In post 832, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 830, Val89 wrote:
In post 827, GrandpaMo wrote:thats why we lim between clark and val..?
No; she is suggested we Lim you and leave Clark and Me alive for D3; trusting whomever of her or Roden survives can correctly sort the scum between Me and Clark.

How did you take that to mean she was suggested we lim of of us?
No, that is the exact opposite of what I said. :shifty:
Mo read me correctly. I don’t know how you possibly got this from what I said?

I’m leaning you > Clark now due to that misrep.
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:25 am

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Nancy, the only ELO I don't really want is Grandpa/Me with you alive; because I worry the spat we had D1 would influence your decision.

With that in mind, even though I think ClarkBar is the likley candidate, me or Grandpa should go today.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:26 am

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In post 835, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I’m leaning you > Clark now due to that misrep.
OK, if that is the case, then I have to be lim today I think.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:27 am

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Let’s not rush this please.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:29 am

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In post 836, Val89 wrote:Nancy, the only ELO I don't really want is Grandpa/Me with you alive; because I worry the spat we had D1 would influence your decision.

With that in mind, even though I think ClarkBar is the likley candidate, me or Grandpa should go today.

UNVOTE:
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If you think Clark is the likeliest candidate for scum, then why vote Mo?
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:31 am

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In post 836, Val89 wrote:Nancy, the only ELO I don't really want is Grandpa/Me with you alive; because I worry the spat we had D1 would influence your decision.

With that in mind, even though I think ClarkBar is the likley candidate, me or Grandpa should go today.

UNVOTE:
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What makes you so confident that I would be in elo and not Roden?
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:31 am

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I don't want to lim Clark today on the chance it is scum!Grandpa; because if it is, he kills Roden tonight, and you lim me tomorrow; and that's his path to victory.

If I was sure it would be GG once Clark flipped, I wouldn't care, but I'm not 100% sure at all, particulary since T3 died.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:31 am

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In post 840, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:What makes you so confident that I would be in elo and not Roden?
Because Roden is town reading me. Why would scum take me to ELO with someone who is townreading me?
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:34 am

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In post 781, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 771, Roden wrote:
In post 769, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 768, Val89 wrote:I really need to hear fom Grandpa on what's in James' ISO that makes him think {Clark, Roden}.
yea i just came back with work...

expect like a complete analysis on james readlist on why i do expect its clark / roden in a couple of hours


tldr; this is manly based on james interactions with clark nd roden (the post that nancy pointed out of james) i noticed it from that and started quick skimming jame's iso and seeing their reads.
Oh, you actually are suspecting me. I guessed that was a typo because your earlier post said Chuck instead of Clark, and it looked like you were accusing Nancy of thinking that.

Either way, we've already been over this. For me to be scum I'd have to have hard bussed Blurry/James before the replacement even came in. Psyche had scum read Blurry first, but the wagon didn't start until I repeatedly kept bringing attention to Blurry and soft accused Val of trying to divert attention by arguing with Nancy. Even when James subbed in, I kept my vote on his slot and continued to pressure him.

It's not like I couldn't pivot out to another wagon either. Nancy had multiple people going after her and I'd already stated that I didn't trust Val's intentions at the time. If I was scum, all I'd have to do is completely ignore Blurry and help Val put pressure on Nancy. Literally all I'd have to do is shut up and James would likely still be in the game.

If you don't believe me, go look back at what happened. It starts around page 10 I believe. I specifically say that I think the early wagon on you was bad and that we should look more at Blurry.
That doesn't clear you as town. Just because you shoved attention to someone who you weren't even the driving force at that time, that doesn't make you town.
Are you not reading...? I was the reason the wagon actually started. Please fact check what you're saying because this is proven to be false.
Note that James scumleaned you.
Ok, and? What is there to infer from that? Because two other confirmed innocents were also put in his scum pool. Nancy was also his Null read, do you think that makes her scum as well?

If you're going to note something, you need to explain why it's noteworthy. You haven't explained anything though so far.
Also notate that Val, and I believe Clark had scumread Blurry as well and so that makes you scumreading them more NAI.
Ok, now I know you're either not actually reading or you're just scum. Go read starting at page 10, the order of events proves that you're wrong here.
Also for the second part is not true, you could have done the same Clark done and scumread Chuck out of no where and find yourself to explore a scumspot.
Uh, what? What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with what I said?
If you would have shut up, there would still have been the CC and hammer still would have still proceeded with or without your input.
...What? There likely would've never been a hammer in the first place without my input. The wagon literally didn't exist until I gave my input and voted Blurry. Psyche and Nancy both had multiple votes on them at the time and were mid-wagon before I said we needed to pay more attention to Blurry. Blurry only had one vote on them at the time.

Can you explain to me how it makes sense for me to be scum in this situation? In what universe does it make sense for me to see
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easy mis-elim wagons to jump onto, and instead tell everyone we should vote Blurry who at the time was quietly coasting by? If I'm scum I'm literally just throwing the game in my opening posts. I don't understand how this makes me scum.
GrandpaMo wrote:Can you give me why you are town not mentioning EoD of day one nor mentioning anything regarding your reads?
???

I didn't even say anything about the end of Day 1? You're the only one bringing it up. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to bring up my reads either. You might as well tell me to accept your accusation and stop defending myself lol.

Is it because your own reads and votes incriminate you? Because you didn't vote Blurry/James, and you hammered Chuck with a naked vote.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:35 am

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In post 766, Roden wrote:Since the game's just slowing to a crawl here, can I ask everyone to give an updated reads list?

Nancy and Val are my current town reads, while Clark and Grandpa are my scum reads. I can explain this in further detail but I don't want to influence scum's reads, so I'll go into detail once everyone else posts.
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:37 am

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In post 841, Val89 wrote:I don't want to lim Clark today on the chance it is scum!Grandpa; because if it is, he kills Roden tonight, and you lim me tomorrow; and that's his path to victory.

If I was sure it would be GG once Clark flipped, I wouldn't care, but I'm not 100% sure at all, particulary since T3 died.
In post 842, Val89 wrote:
In post 840, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:What makes you so confident that I would be in elo and not Roden?
Because Roden is town reading me. Why would scum take me to ELO with someone who is townreading me?
I don’t want to be in elo. :/
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:39 am

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I know you don't want to be, but If I am left alive, you are, 100%.

There is no way scum takes Roden into the Elo with me alive tomorrow when he is townreading me, because that is sucide.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:42 am

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In post 846, Val89 wrote:I know you don't want to be, but If I am left alive, you are, 100%.

There is no way scum takes Roden into the Elo with me alive tomorrow when he is townreading me, because that is sucide.
If hypothetically I die, then what would your reads be? I mean it’s possible. If hypothetically Mo is scum, couldn’t he possibly kill me for the wifom?
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:45 am

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Between Roden, Me, and either (grandpa, clark)?

It would be GG, because me and Roden would vote whomever we don't flip of {Grandpa, Clark}. Thats why that's never going to happen; scum know its GG, WIFOM or not.

You and Roden are 100% Locktown to me now. Maybe there is some outside posibility Grandpa or Clark convince Roden to lim me, but given his reads today, would you bet the game on that if you were scum?
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:14 pm

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(1): ClarkBar
GrandpaMo
(1): Val89

Not Voting
(2): Roden, Nancy Drew 39

Deadline:
(expired on 2021-07-15 18:36:48).


Mod notes:
With 5 alive, 3 votes are required for an elimination.
I accidentally reset the countdown in VC 3.01 - this has been fixed.
Last edited by Marashu on Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
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