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[Smoke and Mirrors]

Btw, regarding checking S&M: they can still have hitman if Gamma bought the 1-shot AD and relayed his result to S&M in the PT. Role blocking S&M is not a clear. The only player that cant have hitman now is S_S unless he and Gamma swapped claims. Nobody can be cleared because anyone could have bought hitman if scum, and even if it is unlikely that S_S or S&M swapped claims, it could have happened.

Mechanically we can only know at least one of S_S and Gamma are scum

Anyone swapping claims is pretty risky with the AD's going around. Even without them, it screws you over if the person with the money dies first.

This is how we know Kyouku is lying here. Imaginality already confirmed my 1 shot AD results on him.

[imaginality]

I think the point is, if you are scum, you could be partners with someone else who got the 1-shot AD. I confirmed I bid 90, it doesn't mean it confirms you were the AD rather than your scum buddy.
It seems like an unnecessary risk to do this unless scum also won watcher (otherwise watcher could have seen it wasn't you who visited me). But ssbm is correct that it's technically possible.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I think the point is, if you are scum, you could be partners with someone else who got the 1-shot AD. I confirmed I bid 90, it doesn't mean it confirms you were the AD rather than your scum buddy.
It seems like an unnecessary risk to do this unless scum also won watcher (otherwise watcher could have seen it wasn't you who visited me). But ssbm is correct that it's technically possible.

Why would scum!anyone even want the 1 shot AD? That would be like the stupidest scum ever.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I believe SS is town or I never would have tried to save him, so if anyone wants to link us, I’m fine with thqt because I know we’re town and I strongly believe both that SS is as well and he did in fact get a real guilty on Gamma.

I also believe you and Marci are town as well.

[imaginality]

I think the point is, if you are scum, you could be partners with someone else who got the 1-shot AD. I confirmed I bid 90, it doesn't mean it confirms you were the AD rather than your scum buddy.
It seems like an unnecessary risk to do this unless scum also won watcher (otherwise watcher could have seen it wasn't you who visited me). But ssbm is correct that it's technically possible.

You make some really good points and then there's stuff like this. Why would scum want 1-shot AD? To appear town by getting a PR and using it in a townlike way
Why would scum!anyone even want the 1 shot AD? That would be like the stupidest scum ever.

[imaginality]

I think the point is, if you are scum, you could be partners with someone else who got the 1-shot AD. I confirmed I bid 90, it doesn't mean it confirms you were the AD rather than your scum buddy.
It seems like an unnecessary risk to do this unless scum also won watcher (otherwise watcher could have seen it wasn't you who visited me). But ssbm is correct that it's technically possible.

Why would scum!anyone even want the 1 shot AD? That would be like the stupidest scum ever.

You make some really good points and then there's stuff like this. Why would scum want 1-shot AD? To appear town by getting a PR and using it in a townlike way.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I think the point is, if you are scum, you could be partners with someone else who got the 1-shot AD. I confirmed I bid 90, it doesn't mean it confirms you were the AD rather than your scum buddy.
It seems like an unnecessary risk to do this unless scum also won watcher (otherwise watcher could have seen it wasn't you who visited me). But ssbm is correct that it's technically possible.

Why would scum!anyone even want the 1 shot AD? That would be like the stupidest scum ever.

You make some really good points and then there's stuff like this. Why would scum want 1-shot AD? To appear town by getting a PR and using it in a townlike way.

Sure but we spent 300 on that. We actually didn’t specify 1 shot but Gypyx interpreted it that way, so we just went with it.

My obvious point being, hypothetical scum!us would be far better off spending our pennies on something far more useful that would also look town and help a scum wincon.

If someone has an rb, feel free to use it on us, if there is actually still any room for doubt.

If Kyouku was actually town here, why not just say, S & M you’re wrong on me? Instead he was pretty much grasping at straws and sr every single thing pointing to us town.

[Gypyx]

votecount 5.3

Gamma Emerald (4) : Marcistar - Something_Smart - Smoke And Mirrors - ssbm_Kyouko
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Something_Smart (1) Imaginality - Gamma Emerald
imaginality (0)
marcistar (0)

not voting (0)

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[imaginality]

Quick End

I don't think anything is changing now and if Gamma flips town, this is a better time of day for me to be available to slam a vote on SS at day start (if I'm not NKed).

If Gamma does flip scum I'll roleblock Something_Smart, who seems the least likely to have hitman.

[Something_Smart]

I guess I can probably just end the day then? Doesn't seem like there's anything else left to talk about.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Quick End

I don't think anything is changing now and if Gamma flips town, this is a better time of day for me to be available to slam a vote on SS at day start (if I'm not NKed).

If Gamma does flip scum I'll roleblock Something_Smart, who seems the least likely to have hitman.

Shouldn’t you rb Kyouku, so he can’t kill anyone or is hitman like a strongman?

If Gamma flips scum which I believe he will then you already have one confitown in SS and since we have no money, you could confirm us town, unless Kyouku no kills?

[Something_Smart]

Hitman is effectively strongman, yeah.

[imaginality]

The mod confirmed to me my roleblock fails if it's used on someone who's using hitman. I mentioned this earlier in the game at some point

[Smoke and Mirrors]

The mod confirmed to me my roleblock fails if it's used on someone who's using hitman. I mentioned this earlier in the game at some point

:/

So that means it’s wasted on Kyouku then.

Too bad you don’t have a rolestop instead of a roleblock.

So Kyouku almost certainly has it and will of course lie about that.

I haven’t paid that much attention to the mech stuff. I initially didn’t have a clue what AD was.

Pooky was supposed to help with that but it never came up.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have the 1-shot hitman from d1 still. By your own admission you tracked me and saw me go nowhere when Marci has jailed. If I were scum and not on Marci's team I would have used my strongman that night to shoot through jailkeeper.

But yes, I have only spent 426 so scum!me has the money to have bought the 2-shot hitman as well.

[Something_Smart]

Okay before I go to bed

Quick End

[Gypyx]

Gamma Emerald has been executed, he was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

Night 5 starts now ands ends in (expired on 2021-07-14 03:10:41)

[Gypyx]

Night 5 has ended...

imaginality has died, he was

Vanilla Townie

Day 6 starts now

[Gypyx]

votecount 6.0

Smoke and Mirrors (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Something_Smart (0)
marcistar (0)

not voting (4) - Everyone

day 6 ends in (expired on 2021-07-18 02:50:39)

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I have the 1-shot hitman from d1 still. By your own admission you tracked me and saw me go nowhere when Marci has jailed. If I were scum and not on Marci's team I would have used my strongman that night to shoot through jailkeeper.

But yes, I have only spent 426 so scum!me has the money to have bought the 2-shot hitman as well.

Yes but I asked the mod, if that was actually valid if you visited Marci and he said it wasn’t. Iow, my “inno” is null and void if you visited Marci. I figured when I saw this post, you were planning to NK Imaginality and frame us.

VOTE: Kyouku

And don’t insult our intelligence here. You didn’t use the hitman because you obviously didn’t think you needed it. You’re not clear, the mod confirmed that and SS knows 100% this is my obvtown meta here as did Mastina who had me as her #1 tr.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

i think gamma and kyouko are town

i think forming reads so quick is nai but i dislike it.

You only dislike it because we aren’t sheep that will listen to your weak cries for power

A bit intense, Gamma.

Out of everybody currently with a heal vote, which slot brings you the most confidence?

Kyouko, for potentially peculiar reasoning
He mentioned a fake guilty that he pulled in another game, and I believe he’s truly remorseful for that. As such I believe he’d put extra thought into his choices compared to someone else who wasn’t trying to rebound from something like that.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

HEAL: Flea

If enough votes on CB happen, I can switch.

Why do you NOT want Kyouko?

Oh lookie here, where Gamma hard pushes me to switch my vote for MO from Flea to Kyouku. I’m sure that’s a complete coincidence


Not.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Btw, regarding checking S&M: they can still have hitman if Gamma bought the 1-shot AD and relayed his result to S&M in the PT.

Role blocking S&M is not a clear. The only player that cant have hitman now is S_S unless he and Gamma swapped claims. Nobody can be cleared because anyone could have bought hitman if scum, and even if it is unlikely that S_S or S&M swapped claims, it could have happened.

Mechanically we can only know at least one of S_S and Gamma are scum

I have the 1-shot hitman from d1 still

. By your own admission you tracked me and saw me go nowhere when Marci has jailed. If I were scum and not on Marci's team I would have used my strongman that night to shoot through jailkeeper.

But yes, I have only spent 426 so scum!me has the money to have bought the 2-shot hitman as well.

Oh scum!Kyouku caught in a lie. Implies we can’t be cleared because we MIGHT have hitman, knowing all thr while that she actually had it. How is this a townie thought ever?

Kyouku is confiscum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Night 5 has ended...

imaginality has died, he was

Vanilla Townie

Day 6 starts now

Damn this was to be expected I guess

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have the 1-shot hitman from d1 still. By your own admission you tracked me and saw me go nowhere when Marci has jailed. If I were scum and not on Marci's team I would have used my strongman that night to shoot through jailkeeper.

But yes, I have only spent 426 so scum!me has the money to have bought the 2-shot hitman as well.

Yes but I asked the mod, if that was actually valid if you visited Marci and he said it wasn’t. Iow, my “inno” is null and void if you visited Marci. I figured when I saw this post, you were planning to NK Imaginality and frame us.

VOTE: Kyouku

And don’t insult our intelligence here. You didn’t use the hitman because you obviously didn’t think you needed it. You’re not clear, the mod confirmed that and SS knows 100% this is my obvtown meta here as did Mastina who had me as her #1 tr.

You should ask the mod again in more clear terms if you still think your track on me doesnt clear me of having visited Marci