Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Link to VC

Like your style is more cerebral and forward thinking where you plan things out very far in advance.

His scum style is just not like that? He lives in the moment more.

[Amy Dunne]

Datisi's push of Robert is imo more genuine than Clidd's push of Robert if Clidd even pushed Robert at all on Day 2. (I don't know if he did, I'll re-read D2 today)

I haven't re-read Day 2 robert elimination yet but consider this.

On Day 1, scum didn't know Robert would be a flipped player at endgame, so there's really no incentive to get "towncred" for pushing Robert since if Robert is alive at Endgame, he's an LHF suspect so pushing him d1 wouldn't be

seen

as protown. Datisi was pushing him anyway.

On Day 2, we were actually going to kill Robert, so scum would know to jump on to look better for Endgame.

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly.

Mafia were aware of all this

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Like you may be right but I can’t explain why I’m having doubts, I just am and I usually do not.

[Chara]

also the reason i disagree if you were talking about the Yin thing, Pooky, is that Tweetie's enthusiasm seemed to have more to do with it being fun than solving the game with it, she said herself she wasn't using it for reads, so it's NAI to me. i can see town and scum Tweetie having fun with it like that.

pedit: responding to the previous, not to the new post from Pooky about this.

What about the fact that both scum pushed her especially Nakata and no one seriously thought she had even a snowball’s chance in hell of being limmed.

It looks as if scum wanted us to paranoia on Tweetie. That’s how I won MD game btw. I made pturist IC, who was hard sr my dance partner Dann and everyone thought that he was locktown because scum was trying to make everyone paranoia on him.

except in this case, in reverse?

both of them pushing Tweetie doesn't make me think she's town really, i think it could just have been distancing, or they were trying to frame her purposely in some way too.
i'm more doubting the read as i reread because i remember why i townread Tweetie in the first place, she is really genuine with her arguments and gets invested in them, i'm back around to thinking her Robert defense is actually towny.

[Chara]

@Pooky i will get back to you re: clidd, you might be right but i have a tendency to just go with the thinking of whoever presents an eloquent argument and i want to see if my townpings from him are legitimate.

also @Amy, that part is about the wincon, it doesn't say anything about scum knowing what Yin will say.

[Chara]

it's the reason i townread Tweetie initially, i thought i was wrong to do that after the wincon reveal but i did note at the time that it also really didn't seem like an SvS interaction either. obviously it's not, but that was because it really felt like a legitimate read and not one with an agenda.

[Chara]

last post is about Tweetie's Robert read.

[Chara]

VOTE: Tanner

[Amy Dunne]

Maybe he is town, then who do you think is the team then? If you tr Tweetie then that can only leave Flea/Clidd right?

[Chara]

i don't know. Pooky's confidence in Tanner helps.

[Yang]

Christmas movies are hard to define.

[Hectic]

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Votecount 4.7

[2] Ydrasse:

Flea The Magician, Ydrasse

[2] Tanner:

Morning Tweet, Chara

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

clidd

[3] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Tanner, Amy Dunne

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-25 12:06:58).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Morning Tweet]

hi have we solved the game yet

[Morning Tweet]

I'm guessing if Chara is town then either Pooky or Ydrasse fooled me which smh if so but I think clidd is scum every time

i skimmed and like didnt someone figure out his stances on earlier days make sense with that?

Im kinda judging off these last pages, it rlly seems like ydrasse/pooky/tanner/flea town. I think Chara is making the best of this situation it can though as either alignment

if clidd is town I am lost, there's some theater or something probably I totally missed?? idk

[Morning Tweet]

I feel like Chara finding that particular bit about clidds play (allowing Robert's elim to go through) towny enough to consider him unable to do that as scum is the lie. i am not sure Chara believes that. I think scum clidd could have easily misread the likelihood of the elim and thought it was very likely to go through. And he totally could have done it believing it would win him the game or give him dependable material down the line. Which especially makes sense if he was pushing scum and defending town earlier in the game

[clidd]

@Mt

Ok, so what's the scum!clidd plan for endgame?

[clidd]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Tanner]

hello, i have spent the day having depression naps and now it's past 3am again. i will read what has been posted and try to force myself to actually work on something tomorrow. though i did skim a bit, and one of the posts from pooky made me think that ydra has actually been pocketing me the whole game, and uh. but also it made me think pooky is town which means that i'm running low on scumreads again and ok will get to reading now

[clidd]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

[clidd]

hello, i have spent the day having depression naps and now it's past 3am again. i will read what has been posted and try to force myself to actually work on something tomorrow. though i did skim a bit, and one of the posts from pooky made me think that ydra has actually been pocketing me the whole game, and uh. but also it made me think pooky is town which means that i'm running low on scumreads again and ok will get to reading now

I hope you get well soon.

My mood levels are pretty low too.

[Tanner]

i haven't reread so i'm going a lot off of memory right now; tanner's pushes being the exact same as mine all game and having the same sort of turns when i do

ok this is gonna be a general response, but... have we really? i definitely don't think we've been samebraining the *whole* game, like i locktowned you for the infy push with me (which uh. uhhh.) and then later on i really loved the conviction on robert but thinking back to that, i remember getting fooled by the Loudness and Emotion that scum!you can have when needed (so i shouldn't take that into account really) and i also loved the you calling out the vig claim as bad, but like... actually lemme skim that. ok, the only "counterwagon" at the time was me, and maaaybe flea. oh, and scum!ydra would've known that claim was bullshit most likely, as there's like no was town has a vig when *that* is their actual wincon right?

god ydra can you iron out your read on me a bit more? i know it's been "mindmeld" but can you like, actually talk about which parts and why and etc

[Tanner]

but like, does scum!ydra, with what we know, go "gais i wanna vote infinity, and then if infinity is red i think nakata not wanting to vote her out is partner/partner hehe". i was honestly really *really* impressed by that read because i genuinely didn't think the "infy will be readable later" by nakata was indicative of anything but *gestures vaguely* silent star

[Ydrasse]

i am still feeling Pretty Shitty so tomorrow when i am hopefully not on the verge of vomiting, but i can do that

the term mindmeld might've been a bit too strong. there haven't been a lot of the small moments that i think usually constitute it but given that we've ended up in the same places more or less at least for the beginning of the game made me comfortable with you being town, i'll go through your iso tomorrow and outline the why but beyond even that i do think you've expressed certain emotions that you can't fake as scum (or maybe you could actually? the only time i've seen you do it i think was theater in that one normal game) and weren't ingenuine about the pushes you made which basically... by mindmeld it's like, we're playing the Same Game and not the one that scum were playing before the reveal: pushing people who are scummy/doing weird things. one thing in particular i found the point where you didn't believe robert was scum nearly as strong to resonante a lot with me because i also was like.. well at this point what the fuck is he doing as scum but also just shrugging at it going through because he needed to go. that big wallcase was something you definitely didn't need to make at that point and maybe it was to like, get some early towncred if you are scum but also i think that you'd be saving that energy for post-reveal? i know you're good at being townread when you are town so, if you are scum i think it's likely you'd want to try and have a big burst later into the game if you're the person going deep. also (and this isn't a dig at you) idk why you would be the person to go deep into the game, i don't think you'd actively want to do it if you had a choice? that's a personality read though becuse i know you're capable but you'd also be dying.

i hope that makes part of it clearer but i am making a vested effort to try not and post as much when i feel bad e_e even if haha here i am. i know that's more or less the same thing i've said before but with a touch more added onto it, tomorrow will be the feast because i do want to actually reread but not while i feel like this

[Chara]

this game is cursed, i'm also very sick suddenly now and it's miserable. i hope you guys feel a little better soon, with the knowledge that depression doesn't just clear up like a stomach bug does.

@Tweetie: i know it's possible he's just scum who made a bad call, that's why i'm not saying i want to sentence him rn, but it's significant to me and felt it like no one was really considering it, Pooky did not even know the number of town we need to sentence now initially.

@clidd why change to Ydrasse now?

[Ydrasse]

the forbidden silent star mechanic where if you're in the game too long hectic poisons your reply box and kills you with ticking damage

[Chara]

i missed the Pooky vote underneath that, but same question i guess.

pedit: Ircher got off easy