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[Dwlee99]

They weren't just throwing shade on me, they were voting me and trying to get me killed. Titus especially was going hard into getting me killed early day one by playing into Peta vs me and buddying Nero. Nom's posts could be classified as shade but are also just stupid stuff trying to make me lose credibility and have people scumread me.

[Andresvmb]

Assume Chaos flips Town for a second. What’s the rest of your POE look like?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Titus

I'm cool with a Titus wagon if one would like to get off the ground. I was asked for a readlist before, I feel like I have enough of a handle on the game now to make one.

{peta, Dwlee, DotW, DGB}
{STD, rathe}
{Anya, VFP, Andres, Kyouko}
{osuka, Vax}
{T3, Titus}

I'm swamped at work, but I'll be in front of a computer if someone wants me to go into detail on any of these.

This reads list is the one that felt TMI to me. Idk many people who just name 3 scum in the bottom four in the middle of day two.

Pedit: Kyo then you I think.

[Andresvmb]

Okay but they’re voting for Titus in that post. How is that not a straight positive? That’s an early vote for Titus. Arguing it’s TMI is just not a great tactic.

[ChaosOmega]

VOTE: Titus

I'm cool with a Titus wagon if one would like to get off the ground. I was asked for a readlist before, I feel like I have enough of a handle on the game now to make one.

{peta, Dwlee, DotW, DGB}
{STD, rathe}
{Anya, VFP, Andres, Kyouko}
{osuka, Vax}
{T3, Titus}

I'm swamped at work, but I'll be in front of a computer if someone wants me to go into detail on any of these.

This reads list is the one that felt TMI to me. Idk many people who just name 3 scum in the bottom four in the middle of day two.

Pedit: Kyo then you I think.

Ok, but why would I as scum just try to blow up my whole fucking team day 2. I'm lazy, I'm not out here trying to turbo bus my whole team for towncred and win by myself.

[ChaosOmega]

They weren't just throwing shade on me, they were voting me and trying to get me killed. Titus especially was going hard into getting me killed early day one by playing into Peta vs me and buddying Nero. Nom's posts could be classified as shade but are also just stupid stuff trying to make me lose credibility and have people scumread me.

I also very much disagree with your point about Titus going hard into getting you killed. Here are a bunch of quotes from her interacting with your slot D1 for context. Note the lack of real pressure after page 3:

I like DGB's plan. It prevents scum from fake claiming roles later on as the targets wouldn't match. This should only be done until a person is forced to claim. I would modify it though to claim multiple targets so scum can't deduce who is possibly doctor protected. It limits some ability to solve and catch fake claims but it will keep our PRs alive.

For instance if there's an obvtown/IC and everyone crumbs them as one of their options, scum will infer that person was protected. Then if scum shoot a cop, we can ignore all their obvtown crumbs and get their results anyway.

VOTE: Dwelee

Titus, are you proposing everyone just claims who they would target with their night action openly?

A pool of two or three should be crumbed. I'm horrible at crumbing so it might turn out to be a straight up claim.

Nero's opposition, although I disagree with it, feels townier. Dwlee99 feels more desperate.

@peta/Nero, I largely feel Dwlee was scum that didn't know how to react as well. It almost feels like Dwlee is going to rely on a claim to get him through given the strong playerlist.

he's just scum thats stringing us along "guys don't kill me, I have important information to give." but he's not worried about getting nighkilled b4 he can out

i'll be explaining it day 1, lmao at trying to make this argument (it's not related to my role, for the record)

How can you have important information that you're not releasing if it's not role related?

VOTE: peta

i think it happens a lot that people who talk more early r more likely town

especially ones who get into big discussions

Titus did you start townreading me or just start scumreading peta more?

Rathe I feel like you're evil.

Scumreading peta more. I'm in a state of conflict with you two. I am scumreading you both yet you both shouldn't be scum together. So that means I am wrong somewhere. Having wagons on you both lets me assess you both at the same time.

@Dwlee, Anything's possible. I'm going to play with my reads as they are and assess new data when it comes in.

Dwlee do you think everyone voting you is scum? Why change your vote?

I have thoughts on nom but I'll wait for people on the wagon to respond because I assume that is who you'd like to hear from.

First, yes. Then I would like to hear from you since you have thoughts. Thanks for the respect.

Anya - Null started town
T3 - Only became active after my vla, gtmh town
Save The Dragons - null
Derek12 - lean scum due to no posts
Dwlee99 - I felt they were scum at first, now I am iffy. Would flip for VCA but not strong.
Dragon of the West - Town
Rathe - Would compromise here
ssbm_Kyouko - hasn't done anything since hood discussion, null
Andresvmb - What I did see I liked
Dunnstral - I don't recall him negatively. He did have posts on my vla
nomnomnom, replacing LordEvan - Raging town
DrippingGoofball - Town
Titus - Town
Nero Cain - Needs a bullet to the head
VFP, replacing hugsandchocolate - Moderate town
osuka - moderate town
petapan - I felt his intro was super scummy but him standing up to Nero is super townie

@Dwlee, I didn't expect people to claim vig crumbs as it's something not usually crumbed. It's usually claimed or crumbed after the fact. If people didn't crumb vig, finding a babysitter would still be impossible. :/ Arguably, it still is given a babysitter can act as a vig or protector. It's an odd role.

VOTE: chaos

If Nero's not going to happen, this is ok.

[T3]

Oh I forgot about this game.

[T3]

Night 4 has ended... T3 has died, he was

Spoiler:

Vanilla townie

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Townie

You have no power other than your voice and your vote

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Day 5 starts now

o:oops: I didn't realize I died

[Andresvmb]

UNVOTE:

You unvoted osuka when they gathered momentum for no good reason after stopping the Anya wagon and constantly asking Titus for their opinion on who to execute. FASCINATING.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
I've changed my mind on chaos. I need to reconsider some stuff but relooking at day 2 makes me feel like chaos and Titus aren't teamed like I thought in my 3888 but forgot why.

[Dwlee99]

Dude if I was scum I'd just ask Titus in my PT not in game thread

[Andresvmb]

Dude if I was scum I'd just ask Titus in my PT not in game thread

What haha no.

[Dwlee99]

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I'm just super apathetic right now. If Cyrus is targeting me I'm dead tonight anyway and I don't think anyone cares to listen to me. DGB's day play should be getting it thrown out a window but apparently we have a clear on the slot and I don't know who is scum because I feel like engagement levels with the game are nonexistent.

Also just read this interaction

[Dwlee99]

Dude if I was scum I'd just ask Titus in my PT not in game thread

What haha no.

The other point of this is that I was going with DGB/DotW hard townreading the slot there and trying to form a counterwagon to Anya. I asked multiple people there who they would vote iirc.

[Dwlee99]

Also Osuka tell me who is scum cause honestly I'm just working from a PoE right now and your name stuck out cause I haven't seen you do anything.

You are scum
The players you defend are scum
The players you push are town

Maybe this shit got me demotivated at that point in the game?

[Andresvmb]

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I'm just super apathetic right now. If Cyrus is targeting me I'm dead tonight anyway and I don't think anyone cares to listen to me. DGB's day play should be getting it thrown out a window but apparently we have a clear on the slot and I don't know who is scum because I feel like engagement levels with the game are nonexistent.

Also just read this interaction

How is this clearing at all? I’m so confused. You claiming apathy at that stage instead of, you know, voting osuka back again isn’t a positive.

[Dwlee99]

I'm saying read the whole dialog between VFP and I for context on why I unvoted there.

[Andresvmb]

I'm saying read the whole dialog between VFP and I for context on why I unvoted there.

What’s the case against Kyouko? Can you point me some places I should re-read?

[Dwlee99]

Kyo is just scummy by play and same with Chaos. I don't have some detailed case on them. If we embrace traitor theory then Kyo being okay with Anya claiming neighbors could be her thinking Anya claimed traitor maybe.

Part of my issue with forming reads here is I feel like scum distanced super well and I teetering on thinking that maybe people shouldn't be cleared via interactions.

[DkKoba]

hi im the new VFP

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Andres

vibes

[DkKoba]

also not rereading anything except recent pages so glhf

someone give me a summary

[Gamma Emerald]

hai Koba
@dwlee what part of kyouko's play is scummy outside potentially interactions with Anya?

[Dwlee99]

I feel like she has coasted thorough the game for the most part. It seemed that her contributions have been: confirm neighbor claim -> coast -> say don't kill Anya -> coast -> coast -> etc.

I think the most thoughts I've seen from her was when she voted chaos today.

[Dwlee99]

also not rereading anything except recent pages so glhf

someone give me a summary

We have gotten three scum.
We think there is one left or one main and a traitor.
Everyone claimed VT except Gamma (Odd-night PT cop) and DotW (informed townie, essentially mason without PT with DGB who confirmed this before dying)