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[Menalque]

And I think there’s a fairly obvious path to a win there for you which is that you soak up the heat by doing scummy shit that advances your wincon (like quickhammering town and cutting off the day super early again) knowing that at a minimum it nets 3 dead town in exchange for you dying, plus gives your buddy a chance to bus for cred. So no, “I wouldn’t do this because it wouldn’t be playing to wincon” is not a convincing argument

[Menalque]

Again, I’ll admit that Titanic is better at reading you than me and as he can’t be scum *with* you it’s more likely that he’s town giving an honest opinion but he may just be wrong here, and you have fooled him before so

[Ydrasse]

i mean i was at risk like... all game so. idk. i think it's just frustrating because i'm taking it as a personal thing like "ohh ydra would just gamethrow as scum" sort of attitude

i thought he had a chance to flip scum and that was enough to hammer, given im not a pr + putting in the absolute minimum that was good enough for me to hammer to keep the game going

p-edit: mena do you actually believe that like. seriously or are you just trying to prove a point or something. like i genuinely cannot fathom people going "yes this is how ydra plays this as scum" and im baffled anyone thinks this is how i treat partners if i have them

[Ydrasse]

if you think he's town, and he's better at reading me

maybe put some stock into him knowing why i would do something as scum or, on the other side, wouldn't do something as scum?

[Menalque]

like i think if you just wanted to meme all game as town then you’d just... meme all game as town

For scum!you it’s significantly more important to try and buy and extra day if possible by trying to look town, which is exactly what you’ve started trying to do today


If you’re town and you care about this game why haven’t you played properly up until now? Whereas i can totally see scum!ydra hiding behind “awoo I’m an openwolf” to not have to contribute (due to illness/burnout) and then feeling obligated to turn it up once the heat comes on

[Ydrasse]

you likely can't accept this at face value but, 'reasons'

[Menalque]

I really think it’s skitt/ydra lol

Redeeming myself like a champ if so

[Menalque]

I’m going to do my duolingo before it turns midnight, I will return

[petapan]

I think we should coordinate actions before EoD

Seems likely you/me/MT are all the town power we have atp, therefore if we can get 2 clears on like dwlee/DotW I think it’s as simple as confirmed as scum!ydra or scum!titanic who was white knighting her

i can't actually do anything on my own, lmao

atp i feel like it's better for you/mt to just check independently and for me to stay at home

part of me worries if there's some counterbalancing role to all these investigatives that would interfere with coordinated actions but i would have figured something would have interrupted it last night

i still don't really like the idea of directing checks b/c i'm greedy and want to just get that guilty and if we tell scum who's targeting them they just die

but i feel like the last one being in dotw/dwlee is most likely at this point yeah

[Ydrasse]

*pat pat*

you're not, but i won't quote you on it in postgame

[Morning Tweet]

Im guessing scum were meant to outplay us using their knowledge of what we do since we seem to work in convoluted ways

Like I suppose when they get the louds, they know what's up and what they need to claim.... I guess. idk if there are other components or not but the knowledge seemed important

Seems likely they prolly only have 1 PR

[Morning Tweet]

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Seems like we're in agreement though yeah aside from Ydrasse being kinda controversial

[Menalque]

Peta, why is ydra town? Why does town!ydra hammer T3 at that point when multiple town players (who by that point were claiming town power or obvtown or both) had explicitly asked for more time or spoken about a longer day?

Why does she do both of those things while contributing absolutely nothing of value to the game in terms of either solving it or making herself easier to solve and actively making it harder only to then in turn today launch a spirited defence of herself and to try to argue that she shouldn’t be limmed/this is outside of her scumrange, despite everything she’s done so far being towards a scum wincondition?

[Menalque]

Morning, same question(s)

[Menalque]

Also I think skitt has finished her weekend VLA by now and would normally be around/posting but I think she would be strongly disinclined to post in a game where she’s already caught and is just waiting for lim/potentially a game she thinks is already lost

[Menalque]

Also to be clear, I’m no longer as lockscum on Ydra as I was coming into the day but I think she’s played as if she’s scum not town and I haven’t heard any good reasons to consider her more likely to be doing that as town than as scum

[Menalque]

Imagine a world where datisi doesn’t roleblock me N1 and I have a softclear on titanic

Or alternatively if I’d played it safer and gone for either of DotW or skitt N1 and we’d had a hard guilty to work with

[Morning Tweet]

ima do my best to make that my homework for a lil later today Mena

and yeah Skitts is caught 99%

[Menalque]

Also this kinda goes without saying but if there is a final TPR who targeted skitt last night you should claim in your next post

[petapan]

although qualitatively titanic isn't a bad check either, i was on him last night b/c he'd be the one person here i'd be worried about skating to endgame here and would be a useful clear if he is town

[Dwlee99]

Can I get a claim summary?

[Menalque]

I’d just like to actually be convinced on ydrasse before we end day

I think all the reasoning so far has been deeply unconvincing and until I actually hear good reasons I don’t want to let it alone

However if I can be provided good reasons for why I should be TRing her here (and legitimately the best one so far is: Titanic says so, which is worrying) then I think we’re almost in auto because it does just become limming DotW an Dwlee followed by titanic if game hasn’t ended

[petapan]

i assume there's no way there's more than 5 PRs considering the ones already claimed, and i think anyone who could have had one would have claimed it

[Menalque]

@peta i think the disadvantage of checking titanic is that if morning and I coordinate scum will just kill the person making that check as a frame job for sure, here it’s more of a gamble they have to take

[Dwlee99]

I do not understand the case against me