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[Andresvmb]

VOTE: DW

Yeah I’ll stick to this for now.

[Andresvmb]

@Koba can you tell me what you see in DW?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll say Andres is probably town

[Dwlee99]

At this point I'm just taking it as a compliment that you think I'm evil.

[Andresvmb]

Sure. I don’t know why you would think that but okay.

[Andresvmb]

Titus wagon is dead, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: osuka

I don’t think this is something Scum ever do. So they move from one of their Partners to the other? Why? Bussing happens sure, but this would be idiotic from a member of the Scum Team.

[Andresvmb]

I’m fine with the pool being {Kyouko, DW}. I think Chaos is likely Town and this is kind of silly.

[DkKoba]

I read Kyouko’s ISO - I’m not seeing why people think the slot is Scum.

Actually I take that back - votes wise, Kyouko’s history is not great.

I personally have caught Kyouko as scum on D1, so like catching her on day 5 on a fresh replacement is fairly trivial for me here.

Talk to me about dwlee, I personally have, after misreading them, read them well, but obviously have never rolled against scum them so I don't have a baseline, but I do feel they are town here on gut.

[Dwlee99]

I read Kyouko’s ISO - I’m not seeing why people think the slot is Scum.

Actually I take that back - votes wise, Kyouko’s history is not great.

I personally have caught Kyouko as scum on D1, so like catching her on day 5 on a fresh replacement is fairly trivial for me here.

Talk to me about dwlee, I personally have, after misreading them, read them well, but obviously have never rolled against scum them so I don't have a baseline, but I do feel they are town here on gut.

You never did this about my chaos read

[DkKoba]

?

I trust andres because in general he is accurate... except when I roll scum against him >:) (although I do expect to get wrecked next time I do)

[DkKoba]

He carried my ass in my very first normal game

[Dwlee99]

Titus wagon is dead, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: osuka

I don’t think this is something Scum ever do. So they move from one of their Partners to the other? Why? Bussing happens sure, but this would be idiotic from a member of the Scum Team.

I think a lot of Chaos' ISO is vote parking scum but then not pushing it and I don't think vote parking clears a slot.

Pedit: You completely ignored my Chaos case, ignored the entire back and forth, refused to explain why Chaos is town except saying "read his ISO," etc. I get you don't respect my tunnel because I know I can be wrong, but you could at least take the time to consider it and talk to me about it.

[Andresvmb]

I think a lot of Chaos' ISO is vote parking scum but then not pushing it and I don't think vote parking clears a slot.

Asking for giant cases from players when they’ve voted correctly and at a key stage honestly seems ridiculous to me. And then on top of that, even when I’ve done it, you still think I should be in the POE. There’s no pleasing you regardless and I don’t know why you are pretending that if Chaos had provided a more detailed case they would be out of your POE.

[DkKoba]

But no. We are checking Kyo.

You are far too opposed to being cleared for me to be comfortable with your slot. Check me for all I care.

I would be HAPPY being confirmed Town and not have to deal with the suspicion. I don’t like how hard you’re trying to direct the PT Cop.

I don't want you checked on the basis that you are exuding your town game very strongly here in a late stage of the game.

[DkKoba]

Chaos comes off as a player who doesn't bus and would actually unvote their partner and save them rather than let them live and also would kill a PT cop.

plus PT cop prob useless at this stage as we are prob dealing with 1 group scum 1 traitor or just 1 groupscum. so yep

[DkKoba]

(this is assuming that gamma is town though)

[Andresvmb]

Talk to me about dwlee, I personally have, after misreading them, read them well, but obviously have never rolled against scum them so I don't have a baseline, but I do feel they are town here on gut.

Here’s what bothering me. Whenever a PR has threatened to use their power against them, instead of acting defiant (which is more the reaction I expect), they've acted defensive or apathetic. It’s also happened in situations where the Scum in general are clearly in a horrible place. If I’m Scum and about to be investigated here, I know I’m screwed. The only way to survive this is by forcing a few mis-executions (widening the POE by including Chaos for instance or insisting I should still be in the POE), and by advocating strongly for a check elsewhere while also assuming that Gamma needs to go tomorrow.

[Andresvmb]

They’ve softly defended every Scum that’s flipped, and went against their very well articulated reasons as to why Anya’s claim was believable.

[Andresvmb]

Did they end up on osuka? Yes. And did they need to defend Anya? Probably not, but you also need to remember that Anya’s was getting Roleblocked that night again and they were going to look silly for it.

[Andresvmb]

Obviously they also voted for Titus, but only after that flip really did look likely to happen, and only after speaking about how they’re apathetic and all this other stuff.

[Andresvmb]

Unless Chaos has a death wish, they’ve moved seamlessly between Scum votes and did not flinch. DW blinked while on osuka.

[Andresvmb]

Now, Kyouko’s voting history is horrific. They’ve found ways to avoid every Scum execution I think.

[DkKoba]

So you figure Dwlee/Kyouko is likely then?

[DkKoba]

We could no lim and just force a check between the 2 - gamma being nightkilled would just clear him too which eases my head

[Andresvmb]

So you figure Dwlee/Kyouko is likely then?

Yeah I think the last Scum is between the two. I don’t see Chaos as Scum and everybody else is ruled out in my mind due to mechanics or play.