Micro 1022 | Purgatory | 80s music | Game Over

[Farren]

these are the ramblings of scum desperate to explain their actions. You were only concerned with self preservation. Nothing else. If you were town who really thought I was scum, you let yourself flip there and then your town flip would be pretty decisive for that. But no, I do not believe you flip town here. And my town flip here will prove you are full of shit.

You're in full anti-spew mode and you know you won't be sheeped here.

Self-preservation? Seriously?

That is not a reasonable take, given what happened. This is a "making stuff up" level take, for multiple reasons.

1) If I'm concerned with self-preservation, whether Town or scum, I do not change my vote there. I even explained this at the time I did it - if T3 switches back to me, I'm in the lead. Putting myself in a position where T3 (the person in the lead) can kill me is the exact opposite of self-preservation. That's self-risk.

2) The only way I could "let myself flip" is if I self-vote, as I wasn't in the lead; I just put myself in a position where T3 could put me in the lead.

Self-voting would be *horrifically* bad play on my part. No one should ever, EVER eliminate the one person they know is Town, unless there's a mechanical reason that justifies it. There isn't here during Hell phases. There can't ever be.

I do not see how you can possibly, genuinely think this as Town.

[Ich Troje]

I cannot possibly believe you can be this uncharitable towards me only because I have a scumread on you based on prior experience with you in a game where I initially misread you as well. You have no depth in play. You only react and make statements of fact rather than analysis.

You're almost definitely scum and you would need to bury another scum(even then, dubious based on the necessity to get towncred for scum in this setup) for me to believe this

[Ich Troje]

You see me, a townie, a strong candidate for preventing scum from getting a person into heaven and you discred me as hard as you can. You haven't even interacted or said anything much about people who SR you.

I think T3 is a likely partner for you as you refused to vote for them too, and I in particular am not accepting of their pocket on me here.

As far as I'm concerned, we just heaven outside you 2 and hell you 2 back to back for the W

[Ich Troje]

That being said, that doesn't mean to heaven anyone willy nilly because that would be throwing - be critical and update reasoning as you go. I know this doesn't need to be said for the rest with Dann/NSG/Esooa here but rather that's why I will primarily push for myself to be candidate today.

[Ich Troje]

Like all you did was make the case that you are scum with T3. Or that you saw T3 was around and getting Enchant was the best bet to not bury yourself.

[Farren]

I cannot possibly believe you can be this uncharitable towards me only because I have a scumread on you based on prior experience with you in a game where I initially misread you as well. You have no depth in play. You only react and make statements of fact rather than analysis.

You're almost definitely scum and you would need to bury another scum(even then, dubious based on the necessity to get towncred for scum in this setup) for me to believe this

I can be quite uncharitable to anyone who blatantly refuses to admit when they're wrong. Normally because I assume that the person is scum if they're just flat-out ignoring what happened.

The best bet not to bury myself was to not switch my vote in the first place. If scum with T3, I take a look at this votecount, this unvote, and I

don't shake things up by voting T3

. If scum with Town|T3, I don't switch over to Enchant when I can stay put and eliminate T3 instead.

Only react? Nope. Disproven by the vote on T3.
Depth of play? Not sure what you're trying to say here. I'm only Machiavellian when scum, and even then not always.
Statements of fact? Damn straight I do. It's necessary when people keep making false statements. And I will continue to do it, over and over if necessary, until people stop making false statements.
Lack of analysis? 593, 633.

That's all the time I plan to spend discussing myself today. As I said, I'm not pushing to get into Heaven - but if you want to keep at it, by all means. Your game. Play it how you want.

[Ich Troje]

Subject: Micro 986 - The Coalition: PIFoMP [game over!]

I keep getting distracted by the Norwegian / Mystic show.

Let's say Norwegian's scum. Norwegian's motive as scum in offering to support the coalition that doesn't include him in exchange for eliminating Dostin later is ... what?

Possibilities:
WIFOM. WIFOM is only meaningful to scum if there's scum in the coalition, or if it helps get scum into the coalition. The likelihood of Norwegian getting into any coalition at this point is slim to none, with odds on none. WIFOM would have to be aimed at getting Norwegian's partner into the coalition.

Dostin / Norwegian seems rather laughable as a team, but that's the only person I can think of that would make a sense from a WIFOM perspective. Doesn't seem likely.

Trying to get himself in somehow? Don't see how this would have any chance of working.

Trolling? Not having any idea what would work so trying to throw anything at the wall to see if it would stick? That's all I can think of.

and yet this is no proof that you are out of your scumrange.

[Ich Troje]

Subject: Micro 986 - The Coalition: PIFoMP [game over!]

I don't think this is true btw, IIRC farren's magnum opus where he carried and won the game as solo scum for about five days or something, I was either mod, or killed N0 and therefore (on our site) unaffected by stats.
I was just thinking that farren was not outside his scum range in any way.

this is exactly how you were caught in that game and this is how you are being caught in this one too.

unless you are saying my assessment that you haven't left your scumrange is inaccurate.

[Farren]

That's all the time I plan to spend discussing myself today.

[Ich Troje]

That's all the time I plan to spend discussing myself today.

Convenient.

[Ich Troje]

Can't even answer a simple yes/no. Are you, or are you not, within your scumrange here?

[Farren]

That's all the time I plan to spend discussing myself today.

[Ich Troje]

A lot of rebuttal for someone clearly talking about other people.

[Ich Troje]

Frozen scum.

[Ich Troje]

You know you can easily shut me up right?

Send me to heaven and I flip - easy enough.

I don't believe that you genuinely think I'm scum here. And hey, if you're scum its to your own benefit to send me up anyways

You haven't said a word about why you want to send Esooa up - and the fact you won't even advocate for yourself is quite hilarious. If I'm scum here - clearly you're the most obvious spewed town from me being scum. But that's not part of the plan, eh?

[Ich Troje]

I realize my push might not be perfect or have some holes in it that can be attacked but I'll be honest I am embellishing in order to emphasize my case and bury farren because of how much I believe they are scum and its a gut feeling I can't translate into finding the right evidence per se without a scum flip to point to.

The EoD was centered around Farren so its not exactly the best evidence against him, so I understand flipping T3 first to test that but yeah.

[T3]

T3: Why didn't you switch back to me when you had the chance?

Wait wtf
I thought I was dying there.

[T3]

Ich's case on Farren is bad but Farren had a bad reaction.

[Farren]

Wait wtf
I thought I was dying there.

When did you figure out otherwise?

[T3]

Wait wtf
I thought I was dying there.

When did you figure out otherwise?

You/koba's interaction so I looked at the wording of the vc.

[flow trap]

Frozen scum.

You have to admit, it's funny

[flow trap]

I don't believe that you genuinely think I'm scum here. And hey, if you're scum its to your own benefit to send me up anyways

I guess you're right

[Farren]

Uh ... you voted in 796. Ich Troje and I didn't start interacting until 799 (them) and 814 (me).

PEdit> to T3.

[flow trap]

Ich's case on Farren is bad but Farren had a bad reaction.

Usually, I have no idea how to judge reaction, I'm better at poking people to make them :3, but I agree

[T3]

I meant that when I voted Enchant I thought I would die if I didn't vote.