Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-4

Is this a sandwich?

Looker

(1): HockeyFan

HockeyFan

(1): petapan

Not Voting

(3): GrandpaMo, Looker, Lady Lambdadelta

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 2, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-01 21:00:00)

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[petapan]

VFP and T3 softbussed until others got involved, then they dogpiled on James - I still find that suspicious.

hell, let's get back to the game - your assessment is that they "softbussed", but VFP had his vote glued to T3 for almost all of day 1 until the james wagon came out of nowhere. they couldn't have been counting on that opportunity coming up, so otherwise this would seem like incredibly poor strategy as scum.

how is that "soft" compared to, say, hockeyfan's treatment of T3 where he keeps calling him somewhat scummy but finds excuses to vote other people?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: HockeyFan

[Looker]

"Poor" is subjective and condescending, and "soft" is subjective as well - there's no way to know if a strategy is effective until you get the results, but I will acknowledge that you find that strategy

unlikely

. I'll also concede on HockeyFan. VOTE: HockeyFan GG and, if not, V/LA

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3.5

This is a Morrocan grilled chicken sandwich with preserved lemon tapenade, pickled red onions, spicy harissa mayo and baby spinach. The chicken is cubed, marinated in Morrocan spices, skewered and grilled.

HockeyFan

(3): petapan, Lady Lambdadelta, Looker

Looker

(1): HockeyFan

Not Voting

(1): GrandpaMo

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

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An Elimination Has Been Achieved!

[fferyllt]

HockeyFan was a

Vanilla Townie

.

The deadline for Night 3's end will be set as soon as I have found a replacement for GrandpaMo.

[fferyllt]

Manateedude replaces GrandpaMo!

Night 2 begins now. Night actions are due on Monday, August 2, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-01 21:00:00)

[fferyllt]

ManateeDude died last night. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 4-1

Day 4 Begins!

In Japan, dessert sandwiches are a thing: made with fresh fruit and chilled whip cream between two slices of fluffy Japanese milk bread (shokupan).

Not Voting

(3): looker, Lady Lambdadelta, petapan

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 10, Midnight US Eastern Time.

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[petapan]

well

that was my one guess

this sucks

[petapan]

in some sense i let myself get confirmation biased on hockeyfan, but i'm not really sure i ever would have gotten there on him being town. posts were too weird for me to pick up on the genuineness. maybe should have seen he didn't react like scum being pushed.

as for today, well, i expect things are probably already set in place

[Lady Lambdadelta]

god I'm really fucking

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The replacement really fucks with me, because

it totally masques the kill

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Peta I'm going to have a really hard time getting away from my hand here.

but I can't imagine you can leave me alive in this situation, Peta.

Like... I have to feel like you have a better shot of killing Looker if you take GPM and Looker in and leave me out. That I am alive currently hits me with issues that

I said that I couldn't see T3+Looker as scum, and I COULD see T3+VFP as an explicit pairing.

So I'm sitting here wondering if that read was just spot on, but I don't know if you'd do some kill ninjitsu.

Cause I feel like you have to know if you vote for me here Peta, that Looker probably votes for you.

Which makes me wonder if you can even DO the fake out required

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because to me, I feel like it went like this

Peta's best move was to shoot me, someone who is incredibly likely t vote for them today, EVEN WITH this kill choice logic happening. So killing me and arguing it's looker is their best play.
My best move is to shoot Looker. This is the worst F3 for me possible. I've made it clear I'm gunning for Peta, so Peta has to stay, but I have more sway and control over GPM than Looker. That said, GPM replaced out Manatee replaced in there may be odds I'm supposed to shoot the fresh eyes as scum here if I'm scum and make my due with looker, and play like I have come into today.

But I know I'm town, so, kinda moot point.

So then, we have Looker. And shooting GPM's slot IS looker's best move. Because I'm slated to kill Peta. And because Looker was somoene i said i couldn't pair with T3.

So looker has all the incentive in the world to make this kill.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd like to hear what both of you think now, if I'm being honest. I need to hear both of your positions before we get a cross vote going.

[Looker]

This doesn't really surprise me.

[Looker]

Coming from either one of you, I have the lowest post count and seem the least likely to defend myself. If it's Lambda, I've been butting heads with VFPeta and am clearly biased to vote him, and, if it's VFPeta, you have a better chance of framing me or Lambda than the newbie who lurked his way into a replacement.

[Looker]

Also, Lambda did say she was going to kill me, just not yesterday.

[Looker]

Also, also, how bad is it that none of the newbies made it to the end of the newbie.

[petapan]

Also, also, how bad is it that none of the newbies made it to the end of the newbie.

it's unfortunate, this is a weird game

[petapan]

some of it was the game stalling but some of these replace outs were probably not games related, just a weird series of coincidences

[petapan]

Peta I'm going to have a really hard time getting away from my hand here.

but I can't imagine you can leave me alive in this situation, Peta.

Like... I have to feel like you have a better shot of killing Looker if you take GPM and Looker in and leave me out. That I am alive currently hits me with issues that

I said that I couldn't see T3+Looker as scum, and I COULD see T3+VFP as an explicit pairing.

So I'm sitting here wondering if that read was just spot on, but I don't know if you'd do some kill ninjitsu.

Cause I feel like you have to know if you vote for me here Peta, that Looker probably votes for you.

Which makes me wonder if you can even DO the fake out required

strictly speaking, the manatee shot is a smart one for anyone - the slot was more townread than any of us, and no one has any idea of what manatee's reads would have been, so her dying leaves a void of informaion. replacements can often turn a game around, killing them is good

however, i'm not you, i don't make weird kills to mess with people. i will take whatever is the easiest path to victory, my policy is always to pass hammer to the person most likely to mess it up, and i think i'd have a better chance at swaying manatee than you, although i haven't seen manatee as town so i could be talking out my ass

[petapan]

so, to pick up the pieces and reassess:

I hadn't really liked Bulge's posts, too much of his reads and reasoning were bizarre to me. LLD, prior to my rep-in, was kind of playing like how i'd set the template for playing scum as an SE in a newbie game - seem helpful and leadery but kind of hands off, let the newbies go in the wrong direction and amplify the bad reads, don't push any wagon hard yourself. also, the james scumread is bizarre to me, feel like most players who have been playing a decent amount of time should have had him as obvious town

i did not post these concerns yesterday because i had convinced myself it was hockeyfan, and so there was no need to say that stuff, because it probably didn't matter

HOWEVER, there was one very specific interaction between bulge and T3 that seemed unlikely to come from partners. i haven't seem bulge as scum, don't know how he plays it, but it's a fairly significant point



as for looker, the slot is mostly a content void, which makes it very hard to judge. he had some posts i thought were okayish, but not a lot else. the fact that two newbies replaced out before him is maybe the worst sign, because i think newbies often flake out when they draw scum and don't know what to post

i think the strongest point in his favor is t3 voting him on day 2 but t3 is also bus-happy and i'm not sure how much that actually works in his favor


mostly right now i want to look back at bulge and strangematter and see if i can find anything

[petapan]

hm, so, interesting - in strangematter's previous newbie games as town, they didn't really struggle to produce content at all, posted plenty, had reads, made votes

granted, replacing in is different, but here they stalled and said they were catching up, asked a few unimportant questions, made a generic statement about lurkers, then vanished. it's a bad look.