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DAY ONE

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Vote Count 1.9

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House [4]

: Tetrina, DrippingGoofball, Cephrir, Gamma Emerald

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Infinity 324 [2]

: skitter30, Roden

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Galron [2]

: Ydrasse, ssbm_Kyouko

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Cephrir [1]

: Galron

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skitter30 [1]

: Infinity 324

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Not Voting [3]

: rousseau, House, PookyTheMagicalBear

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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.

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The Day One deadline is in:

(expired on 2021-08-17 15:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Skitter is VLA until August 15th.

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nay.

B5

A HIT!

FIRE AT A5

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Galron

third times the charm?

can you explain to me the issue with

'do you think scum!player (where player is not the one speaking or being spoken to) would do this:'

as that seems to be the basis for your galron read as well as for your gamma emerald case

It's not the basis for my Galron read, I don't know if that's even a point I've made against Galron. Maybe you mean my comment on the way that Gamma moved from Galron to DGB? That is equity with scum!Gamma that comes from Gamma's side and isn't AI for Galron unless Gamma flips red. It makes me feel better that there is equity between my scumreads, but I'm not scumreading Galron

because

of Gamma.

I wouldn't call it the

basis

for my Gamma case, but that's possibly a matter of perception. It is the

reason

I tried to trap him around an infinity partner read. I think his behavior around her, and hers around him, are suspicious, but I don't think there is interest in eliminating him today.

The reason it pinged me in the first place is this - it is a tell specific to Gamma:
"Will ask the general playerbase how they feel about his partner to either a) remove them from people's minds to eliminate or b) know the time is right to bus them
Source: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12881030 (Large 233)"
(from Gamma's scumtells in a notes file I keep on my PC)

https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Communi ... ost2267162
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10312868

these are examples of me actually doing the thing you're talking about as scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

...

Nooooooooo

[Cephrir]

Nay.

B5

A HIT!

FIRE AT A5

Thar be no ships there.

B4

[rousseau]

The first halves of the sentences are the same but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's right in that post that I think Galron is TMIing me as town. In Gamma's 321 I suspected that scum!Gamma was testing the waters to see if he would need to bus scum!Infinity

right but the tmiing you as town would be on account of asking you if scum!skitter would do x and that doesn't seem to be implied to me so i am asking the issue with this general type of question as it also stood out to you elsewhere

unless you think simply assuming that scum!skitter wouldn't be pushing scum!you in that situation is tmi? because that feels ??? to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The first halves of the sentences are the same but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's right in that post that I think Galron is TMIing me as town. In Gamma's 321 I suspected that scum!Gamma was testing the waters to see if he would need to bus scum!Infinity

right but the tmiing you as town would be on account of asking you if scum!skitter would do x and that doesn't seem to be implied to me so i am asking the issue with this general type of question as it also stood out to you elsewhere

unless you think simply assuming that scum!skitter wouldn't be pushing scum!you in that situation is tmi? because that feels ??? to me

I think you might need to reread the posts more closely as there are a couple of problems with what you're describing.

Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Thar be no ships there.

B4

Congrats! you sank my ship!

It was a pleasure to fight against ye on the high seas yet again!

until next time!

[Gamma Emerald]

also if it's about skitt being happy she rolled town then she did the exact same thing really early on in perpetual melo and she had had some pretty bad scumgames before that (at least divide and conquer, i think there was another)

pedit: i just don't get why the same logic would apply to skitt.

and fair enough skitt

those games stood chances in a way the other two... really didnt so

i think we're going to go around in circles about this regardless

I glossed over this the first time but reading this again I remembered skitter was part of a scum hydra in Tarot UPick, so that's important to consider

[rousseau]

Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

yeah first you meant not to be there

but asking

do you think scum!skitter does pushes you like this as town?

does not imply that you are town? like you are answering the question for drippinggoofball as 'yes' in order to conclude that

galron was tmiing you as town?

whereas asking 'do you think scum!skitter pushes a wagon likely to fall apart like this?'

to me implies that galron thinks it is not super likely but is asking drippinggoofball for their opinion

so i am asking why this sort of question means that to you

[rousseau]

to me implies that galron thinks it is not super likely but is asking drippinggoofball for their opinion

and thus if not likely that galron thinks scum!skitter would do this, that implies galron thinks more likely town!skitter, thus not inconsistent with earlier interactions with you

[Gamma Emerald]

skitter30 [4] : ssbm_Kyouko, Roden, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

???????

what was this about?

[Gamma Emerald]

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I don't necessarily think this is scum indicative, but I have no idea how this is supposed to be helpful to town. It's even worse than fluff since we can't even attempt to try to read this.

I actually managed to piece together some actual words reading this on PC
"Hello...shit...lost signal..."
that's pretty much all the actual word I was able to make out

[Cephrir]

skitter30 [4] : ssbm_Kyouko, Roden, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

???????

what was this about?

didn't think skitter was scummy

[rousseau]

I actually managed to piece together some actual words reading this on PC
"Hello...shit...lost signal..."
that's pretty much all the actual word I was able to make out

also

~Monarch

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter
Rousseau, Tetrina
Pooky, Cephrir
Gamma
Roden, DGB
Galron, Kyouko, House
Infinity

this is not a serious point, but House being scum may be an indication of rule-of-three here

[Gamma Emerald]

what is the word for when everyone simultaneously wheels on infinity and it feels orchestrated but the individuals don't feel like mafia

so I checked up on this and when this was said only Tetrina and Ydrasse had actually voted Infinity
was there anyone else you saw pushing infinity that you can remember? Because tbh that feels like where scum might actually be

[rousseau]

what is the word for when everyone simultaneously wheels on infinity and it feels orchestrated but the individuals don't feel like mafia

so I checked up on this and when this was said only Tetrina and Ydrasse had actually voted Infinity
was there anyone else you saw pushing infinity that you can remember? Because tbh that feels like where scum might actually be

skitter, ssbm kyouko, post by drippinggoofball if i remember correctly

[Gamma Emerald]

like 'scummy thing happens! we will vote infinity for scummy thing!'

it felt like

'i am now scumreading infinity because...'
'i am now scumreading infinity because...'
'i am also scumreading infinity because...'

i am trying to say it felt like the bottom one not the top one (which is the situation i think you were describing)

if the latter is the result of the first i don’t see a difference in the situations

they're not the same imo
the natural formation of a wagon will typically happen when different people have their own particular reasons for finding someone scummy. They may be similar, but generally a healthy wagon has that sort of "biodiversity", so to speak

[Gamma Emerald]

what is the word for when everyone simultaneously wheels on infinity and it feels orchestrated but the individuals don't feel like mafia

so I checked up on this and when this was said only Tetrina and Ydrasse had actually voted Infinity
was there anyone else you saw pushing infinity that you can remember? Because tbh that feels like where scum might actually be

skitter, ssbm kyouko, post by drippinggoofball if i remember correctly

yeah that's bad for DGB then

[Gamma Emerald]

ydrasse people have "come together" to scumread me d1 in many games you've been a part of and every time i've been town. why are you deluding yourself into thinking it's right this time

from personal experience, I have definitely used this sort of charged language when trying to convince someone I have played with a lot they're scumreading me wrong

[rousseau]

the natural formation of a wagon will typically happen when different people have their own particular reasons for finding someone scummy. They may be similar, but generally a healthy wagon has that sort of "biodiversity", so to speak

assuming you mean town wagon by 'healthy' wagon here, i was kinda saying the opposite there, well not exactly that it wasn't a town wagon as much as like, it's not really something i've seen from town wagons, like everyone coming together quickly to scumread the same person but each providing their own individual reasons for doing so (other than tetrina)

[Infinity 324]

@shiki

i think kyouko was saying that galron's scenario assumed that she was town and it's tmi simply for that reason

if galron had included a scenario where kyouko was scum in the question then i don't think it would've been a problem

i think it's an overuse of tmi

[Gamma Emerald]

Infinity what’s your thought on Yrdasse atp?

btw this was like the only point I was really thinking Infinity might be scum, her interactions with Ydrasse necessitated a Ydrasse townread, and I wasn't sure if that perspective felt right. iirc after I asked this I was satisfied with the logic given

[Gamma Emerald]

the natural formation of a wagon will typically happen when different people have their own particular reasons for finding someone scummy. They may be similar, but generally a healthy wagon has that sort of "biodiversity", so to speak

assuming you mean town wagon by 'healthy' wagon here, i was kinda saying the opposite there, well not exactly that it wasn't a town wagon as much as like, it's not really something i've seen from town wagons, like everyone coming together quickly to scumread the same person but each providing their own individual reasons for doing so (other than tetrina)

that's not exactly what I meant
tbh I'm kinda stealing someone else's homework with that thought, if I think it's useful I'll post the thing I'm referencing