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[The Limit Does Not Exist]

VOTE: rce? blegh

- lilith

[Bingle]

Hey, mom. Why do you think I’m scum?

[Bingle]

I dont see any scum motivation is confirming that we and only we shot st bingle if they are scum with bingle.

In fact, its a much more pro-scum action to just keep quiet because they cant afford to IC a plauer, especially when they cant just simply kill them off at night.

That means your wrong somewhere. I would ask you to reconsider green bois, I don't think they deserve to be that high in your list.

There’s an interesting lack of any paranoia here. Limit claimed a watch on me after most actions were claimed, and thus it was a pretty safe claim to make. If we were S/S then limit doesn’t actually lose anything having confirmed I was shot once unless the premise is that you shouldn’t get towncred from day play.

VOTE: FC

Limit is a pretty shit wagon, tbh. It gives no more info than Titus’ did yesterday.

[Bingle]

Objectively, I'm probably the best town elimination today.

Not sure if saying WIFOM to sound town as scum or if actually honestly thinking this.

Eh, check out betrayal.

I have no pots, I’m already presumably wounded, and my flip gives clarity to a bunch of interactions.

[Bingle]

What are your current takes on FC? What would Bingletown do to your reads?

These are things I will answer!

...On D3.

VOTE: The Limit Does Not Exist

More votes/support here than on Bingle.

Justify based on lack of discussion you might stifle.

It’s not like FC can back off of the hard commit here regardless.

[Bingle]

While Titus was my strongest TR, the method I use to read her is an absolute pain and can be massively reliable if used on you for example.

Oh? Do tell, because afaik the list of people capable of reading me regularly is functionally a separate set from the list of people who regularly play mafia.

Additionally, I don’t think we’ve even had a T/T game for you to believe this.

[Bingle]

Belay that last, fae was town in ODM and *maybe* trd me based on not calling me out for my deadline vote D1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also gut tells me that if FC happens to be scum, Dwlee might be as well.

[Dwlee99]

What does FC have to do with me?

[Fairy Circle]

While Titus was my strongest TR, the method I use to read her is an absolute pain and can be massively reliable if used on you for example.

Oh? Do tell, because afaik the list of people capable of reading me regularly is functionally a separate set from the list of people who regularly play mafia.

Additionally, I don’t think we’ve even had a T/T game for you to believe this.

I actually meant to say the read I use for Titus is massively UNreliable on you.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

There’s an interesting lack of any paranoia here. Limit claimed a watch on me after most actions were claimed, and thus it was a pretty safe claim to make.

RCEnigma- claimed shot on us
The Limit Does Not Exist (hydra of Something_Smart and lilith2013)- watched boongle
Green Cap Boys (hydra of Retti and Datisi)- ???
T3 - ???
The Emperor-???
NorwegianboyEE-???
Dwlee99-???
Bingle -???
mastina -???
Fairy Circle (hydra of Momrangal and Flea the Magician)- pained. boongle

Try again?

[Fairy Circle]

MASTIINNNAAAAAAA

[Fairy Circle]

unless the premise is that you shouldn’t get towncred from day play.

We're widenly SR, lilith loses alot by eliminating us as a potential elimination

[Fairy Circle]

Hey, mom. Why do you think I’m scum?

Plz hold while I go game hunting

Tldr

I remember having played with you recently and you were easy to scum read there as town, and here you seem more agreeable and not taking controversial takes.

Paired together with Mastinas meta read on you

[Fairy Circle]

It prob sounds like WIFOM in my mind cus i’ve done the EXACT thing as mafia.

"UwU Oh yeah, i would totally be an good elimination here. But why would i openly say that if i was scum? Aren’t i an townie nugget? (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧"

Have done it as both alignment, but as town, theres a stronger declaration to listen to me in the grave

So might be a solid catch

[Bingle]

I remember having played with you recently and you were easy to scum read there as town

We did. It was yggdrasil. I was an activated IC who slayers gambited on D1 and then outed.

[T3]

There’s an interesting lack of any paranoia here. Limit claimed a watch on me after most actions were claimed, and thus it was a pretty safe claim to make.

RCEnigma- claimed shot on us
The Limit Does Not Exist (hydra of Something_Smart and lilith2013)- watched boongle
Green Cap Boys (hydra of Retti and Datisi)- ???
T3 - ???
The Emperor-???
NorwegianboyEE-???
Dwlee99-???
Bingle -???
mastina -???
Fairy Circle (hydra of Momrangal and Flea the Magician)- pained. boongle

Try again?

I shot limit and already said that. Dwlee also harmograohied me. mastina also harmographied someone but I forgot who.

[Bingle]

Absolutely done with this game. Since everyone has checked in, I’m assuming all pain potions have been claimed already if used. We harmographied Bingle and can confirm Fairy Circle pain potioned him. So at least one of these slots is town, as I certainly don’t think scum is going around pain potioning each other. which makes mastina’s solve literally impossible.

- lilith

Lilith's claim. Prior to lilith's claim, with some reasonable assumptions:

Town would not lie.
Bingle did not pain Bingle, and in fact had claimed no potions the day before.
Mastina vote on Bingle -> Mastina did not heal Bingle.
FC claimed a pain on Bingle.
T3 pained Limit
Dwlee vote on Bingle -> Dwlee did not heal Bingle.
Norwee harmo'd mastina
RCE pained FC
Emporer did not pain
GCB - didn't bother checking because one degree of freedom couldn't introduce risk.

So unless GCB had both pained and healed me, unless I was healed limit could be reasonably sure I was pained exactly once. The only way I was healed was if it was done by GCB, which wouldn't catch limit in a lie, or if scum did it. IF limit is scum here, they knew that their claim of only you having pained me was a safe one to make before they made it. This is not evidence that limit is scum, btw, just evidence that townreading limit on the basis of the Harmo result is blegh.

As to why limit would out the info? It gives them a reasonable-ish action to have taken N1. It's only potentially clearing if one of us flips scum, and as I know I won't and I appear likely to flip before you (And did at the time of lilith's claim) it's completely unlikely to be clearing in any case.

[Bingle]

not taking controversial takes.

Paired together with Mastinas meta read on you

You realize that Mastina's meta read on me is that I'm scum because I pushed ta vera (now RCE) as scum early despite no takers and took the time to case the read and towncased most of the consensus town players before they were consensus, and she doesn't think that town me puts that much effort into the game, right?

These are contradictory, and I think you're full of shit.

[T3]

mastina's push on you is completely terrible, I agree. You're still in my PoE.

[T3]

While Flea does actively mess with their meta, my reasons to townread Flea are consistent across all of their towngames. Flea hasn't commented on my meta towncase, but I assume this isn't something Flea noticed.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

votey 2.2.2.2 !

The Limit Does Not Exist (3):

Green Cap Boys, The Emperor, mastina

Bingle (3):

Fairy Circle, NorwegianboyEE, T3

RCEnigma (2):

Dwlee99, The Limit Does Not Exist

Fairy Circle (2):

RCEnigma, Bingle

not voting (0):

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modorator notes

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[NorwegianboyEE]

I can kinda see what Mastina is saying now. But it took some time to translate it internally within myself to really understand what they were saying.
I get thr vibe that Bingle is playing very reactively and trying to do exactly what is required to avoid the lim. Rather than solving for real and of their own voalition.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like them pushing FC harder now, when put on pressure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I get the vibe that Bingle is playing very reactively and trying to do exactly what is required to avoid the lim. Rather than solving for real and of their own volition.

Fixed spelling errors.