3d20 – The Great Board Game War [GAME OVER]

[T3]

No, no, no.
Scum trying to get a roleblocker to out is useless.

[Dragon of the West]

Dragon #596
gee maybe you should READ THEM THEN

My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game

[Dragon of the West]

So if someone's going to do that, I want to see WHAT is similar and why they feel it's indicative

[SirCakez]

Dragon #596
gee maybe you should READ THEM THEN

My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game

tbf this is how I use meta too I'm usually pretty vague

[JamesTheNames]

Dragon #596
gee maybe you should READ THEM THEN

My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game

tbf this is how I use meta too I'm usually pretty vague

Just don't use meta, it defeats the point of the game, and seldom is it reliable.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can someone ELI5 why Roberts roll claim makes him scum

It's a low chance that he rolls the same role that Thor did. Far more likely he lied about what he rolled and to avoid getting caught outright later on, he stole someone else's roll (Thor's) so it would be a 1v1 at worst. If RMH had claimed before Thor I'd be saying the same thing about Thor rn, in reverse.

Odds of rolling the exact same role seem lower than the odds of him being scum trying to hide what he really rolled (possibly a decent scum PR that one of his buddies or he ended up with)

[JamesTheNames]

It makes the most sense to use a game's actual content than to use meta. Not only will 2 games never be totally the same, but it also creates more concrete arguments. If someone isn't producing productive content, pressure them.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hes also just disappeared and this is exactly what he did in Chrono Trigger Chronicles when I pegged him D1 for his play. He disappeared and laid low until the gamestate moved elsewhere.

[JamesTheNames]

Can someone ELI5 why Roberts roll claim makes him scum

It's a low chance that he rolls the same role that Thor did. Far more likely he lied about what he rolled and to avoid getting caught outright later on, he stole someone else's roll (Thor's) so it would be a 1v1 at worst. If RMH had claimed before Thor I'd be saying the same thing about Thor rn, in reverse.

Odds of rolling the exact same role seem lower than the odds of him being scum trying to hide what he really rolled (possibly a decent scum PR that one of his buddies or he ended up with)

I mean role wise,it certainly is possible for at least one role to be shared.

I have absolutely no idea how to do a spoiler but if there are 9 town, there's a roughly 8/9 chance that with 20 roles at least one of them is shared. So without accounting for modifiers you don't have too much of a point here. Taking them into account its about 8%, so I don't think its unreasonable. I avoided typing the Maths in case anyone despises it.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Thor omit his modifier? If he has revealed it I've missed it. Reading post on a small TV on a PlayStation browser is difficult.

[JamesTheNames]

Hes also just disappeared and this is exactly what he did in Chrono Trigger Chronicles when I pegged him D1 for his play. He disappeared and laid low until the gamestate moved elsewhere.

Meta isn't reliable, if you're going to be suspicious of him over that, wait until he becomes more active due to a change in game state.

[Thor Ragnarok]

We should probably try and kill mafia and werewolves before the cult leader

[cyrus62]

We should probably try and kill mafia and werewolves before the cult leader

umm no the cult grows every night

[Thor Ragnarok]

There's only 1 cult

[JamesTheNames]

There's only 1 cult

For now. The only reason you don't want cult to be hammered is because you 'hate' your role.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk how to do the math exactly in this situation but I can do a simulation of 13 rolls 1000 times or something and let you know how often the resultant set of rolls includes a duplicated town role

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont expect it to be as high as you think but I haven't taken stats in like 10 years at this point so *shrug*

[Robert M Hunter]

My follow-up: Did you really believe, during game, that people's rolls are the same as the roles they received?

My understanding was the the rolls would be different from the roles, but then there partial similarities with my roll and my role and I thought I must have gotten it wrong even though it would make no sense game-wise.

I panicked because I have been waiting for so long to get a town role (I made the tragic mistake of picking up many replacements when I joined to be a good citizen but they were all scum roles). I haven't been keeping track but I would guess I replaced/rolled scum in 8/10 of the games I have played and I would really like a chance to play as town for more than one day. The only reason I still join games is for a chance to play as town. I've been a good sport and played all those scum games which I absolutely hated.

[Thor Ragnarok]

Happy birthday, kyouko. I hope you win in everything you do

[Robert M Hunter]

Idk how to do the math exactly in this situation but I can do a simulation of 13 rolls 1000 times or something and let you know how often the resultant set of rolls includes a duplicated town role

It did happen.

[Dragon of the West]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not above policy limming Thor. Cyrus is anti town every game in the way that his play doesn't make any sense, but I at least believe when he rolls town he is

trying

to play in a pro-town way. Thor just doesn't gaf here and I don't like that. He deserves to be limmed for playing purposefully anti-town regardless of alignment

[Nero Cain]

In fairness I'm hard skimming Cyrus's post but I don't think he's a horrible use of the days elimination

[cyrus62]

In fairness I'm hard skimming Cyrus's post but I don't think he's a horrible use of the days elimination

Omg much Nero since I been pushing scum you all game.

[Marashu]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not above policy limming Thor. Cyrus is anti town every game in the way that his play doesn't make any sense, but I at least believe when he rolls town he is

trying

to play in a pro-town way. Thor just doesn't gaf here and I don't like that. He deserves to be limmed for playing purposefully anti-town regardless of alignment

I mean, since Thor has pretty much said he's only going to use his vote to help if we get a guilty, I'm not against this.

[Marashu]

UNVOTE:
I'm not sure how likely this is, but I think it's POSSIBLE that Robert did get confused mid-game. So I'm taking a chance here that the blatant AtE isn't scum-motivated.

James, who do you think is likely cult?

[Marashu]

Also, Robert, any reads yet?