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[Green Cap Boys]

yeah this is why I’m so done with this game. there’s zero chance I ever change your or gcb’s minds so I don’t even see the point. you guys are either scum or stuck so hard in your tunnel that nothing we do will change anything. then we’ll flip town and you’ll be like “wow why didn’t you try harder” and the answer will be, and has been, that you refuse to take your head out of your ass long enough to consider that you might be wrong. It’s so unpleasant to play with and I’m over it.

- lilith

aaand this now genuinely looks like scumposting. i'll admit my first thoughts might not be too strong, since when i skimmed this after waking up i didn't notice this was also talking to mastina, but. it mentions me as well, so i feel like i can respond to this the same anyway.

so, when i came on to post yesterday night, i opened tldne's iso and looked at lilith's recent posts, mostly the posts since i was last seriousposting.

Spoiler:

Empereror did some real really towny posts earlier and then did a full stop halfway through day 1 so he hasn't exactly been pushing people.

same goes for gcb, no?

it feels wrong that everyone’s poe was basically the same at the beginning of the day. I was mostly just being paranoid/frustrated with being scumread earlier but I actually think one of the “universal” townreads could be scum now. it does feel a bit like they got their townreads and the game is going in a way that they’re happy with so they just dipped.

- lilith

I’m very interested to hear mastina’s reaction to our harmography claim, she doesn’t appear to have reacted at all.

- lilith

VOTE: rce? blegh

- lilith

as much as I appreciate the defense on a personal level, I kind of feel like FC is white knighting us knowing that we're flipping town and the very likely plurality elim :/

although I don't really want to elim Bingle either

- lilith

those are all the posts that lilith posted. in some 3-4 days. now, that itself isn't that damning, hell the whole game feels dead right now, and i sure haven't been a spamposter. however, my issue is the claims that i'm never going to change my mind or i need to get my head out my ass to reconsider and whatnot, that was made in response to me still calling them scum last night. that simply isn't the case, fuck, me opening their iso and reading through the posts was me reconsidering! it just lead me to the same conclusion - lilith isn't efforting! like, i've said it so many times that i read lilith based on effort / reads and how much sense they make. i don't think this is unreasonable, considering the amount of experience i have with her, and i think she knows this. she knows what would change my mind, yet she keeps insisting how i'm the unreasonable one because i'm not being open to changing my mind - but i'm constantly looking for things for you that would prove me wrong, and they just... aren't here? there's nothing for me to change my mind for?

-D

[Green Cap Boys]

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

why do you feel like there'd be bussing and is there anything else making the ~gamestate read~? eli5, i haven't been around too much.

-D

[Bingle]

Flips on any of those would give us boatloads of information regardless of the alignments within.

I’ll bite.

How does your read on me change if limit flips town? Scum?

Who can’t be scum with limit?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

why do you feel like there'd be bussing and is there anything else making the ~gamestate read~? eli5, i haven't been around too much.

-D

The idea behind my gamestate read here is that there doesn't really seem to be resistance to pushing limit except from me. And the game being dead makes me feel like scum are sort of happy with where we are headed. In the hydra micro that just ended, scum kinda just did nothing while town roamed around and murderized each other the first two day phases. Feel like something similar might be happening here. But maybe scum!limit is just kinda giving up and scum are hoping someone picks up no one is resisting it?

[Bingle]

Butyeah, I do not believe there's zero scum in {Bingle, TLDNE, Fairy Circle}.

FWIW, I absolutely believe there are 1-2 scum in these three names. I’d 100% be behind eliminating either me or FC and paining exclusively in the other two tonight, with reevaluations on a scum flip. This leaves us with an exceedingly low chance for the scum team to win outright tonight (we’d presumably be flipping scum and even if somehow that’s three town names we’d be paining people that overlap with the potential pool of players that have already lost hp.

I would argue that I shouldn’t be pained on an FC scumflip, but it’s not a hill I’d die on.

[Bingle]

The idea behind my gamestate read here is that there doesn't really seem to be resistance to pushing limit except from me.

You/me/FC, actually.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I've changed my mind about this mechanic. It's mostly just an arsonist mechanic in disguise.

-S

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Kinda unironically think we should no-exe because this could be mylo.

-S

[Dwlee99]

The idea behind my gamestate read here is that there doesn't really seem to be resistance to pushing limit except from me.

You/me/FC, actually.

FC might be scum but I'm pretty sure you're town so this supports my point that I think scum are going along with it

[Dwlee99]

Kinda unironically think we should no-exe because this could be mylo.

-S

I actually had a similar thought

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I mean on the other hand that just makes a quick loss into a slightly longer loss so like, I guess I'd rather that not happen?

-S

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I'm fairly confident GCB is just scum here fwiw

-S

[Bingle]

It is very unlikely this is XLO actually and also I pointed out that this was likely an arsonist mechanic yesterday when arguing a strategy no one would listen to. If this is any form of XLO, no eliming does basically nothing to help.

[Dwlee99]

I'm fairly confident GCB is just scum here fwiw

-S

Why?

[Dwlee99]

It is very unlikely this is XLO actually and also I pointed out that this was likely an arsonist mechanic yesterday when arguing a strategy no one would listen to. If this is any form of XLO, no eliming does basically nothing to help.

It is xlo if there is a damage done on three town and scum each have a pain potion.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Why?

Game doesn't make any sense and nobody has good reads. Implies scum have a lot of influence. Mastina can pull the strings as scum but nobody is listening to her here.

-S

[Green Cap Boys]

we can't no-yeet, plurality is in effect.

Why?

Game doesn't make any sense and nobody has good reads. Implies scum have a lot of influence. Mastina can pull the strings as scum but nobody is listening to her here.

-S

and this points at me being scum rather than any other widely townread slot being scum because...?

-D

[Bingle]

It is XLO if there is damage done on three town, scum have 3 pain pots, no town jk/doc a no target, AND no scum die tonight. If we eliminate someone who has been pained, it drops the odds of one or three. Scum having three pain pots split between their members remaining isn’t a sure thing by any means.

[Bingle]

we can't no-yeet, plurality is in effect.

We might could manually vote no yeet, setup doesn’t specify. It’s still not a good idea.

[Green Cap Boys]

The idea behind my gamestate read here is that there doesn't really seem to be resistance to pushing limit except from me.

weren't there three counterwagons to tldne last time i checked?

-D

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

and this points at me being scum rather than any other widely townread slot being scum because...?

You're the only one doing anything

-S

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Also there's nothing in the rules that says we can't vote for no-exe?

-S

[Green Cap Boys]

and this points at me being scum rather than any other widely townread slot being scum because...?

You're the only one doing anything

-S

i was lurking for about 5 days and doing nothing - and all of my contributions this day phase have been approx. posting "tldne is scum" in a few different wordings

who do you consider to be widely townread slots?

-D

[Bingle]

You're the only one doing anything

-S

[Green Cap Boys]

my guess is that when plurality is in effect and mod obviously wants there to be a yeet, it won't accept a no-yeet vote, but shrug

-D