Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[PenguinPower]

boop

[Gamma Emerald]

hey house. who are gamma's partners?

I don’t know how to feel about you constantly prodding people on me, you seem quite invested in your TR on me

[Bee]

Did it not bother you the first four times he did that?

That shit was setup spec.

I'm less than clueless about setup spec in this game.

Activity theorizing, however, I'm very familiar with. I'm a spammy motherfucker as either alignment and have always been that way, so it's something i see a lot of discussion about.

:/

I think voting Thor is a bad idea unless someone has a case other than busywork/not normal content. Like, is the information being put forward actually being used maliciously or anything?

Bee, being spammy with no content is suggestive of scum. We don't need an ironclad case D1 just >rand scum.

I don’t think that it’s spammy though? And it’s content even if it’s not what’s traditional content. I don’t want to vote out someone like that today.

Who else would you want to vote?

[House]

boop

Oh cool, you're town!

[Gamma Emerald]

So, yeah, go ahead and eliminate me based off of outside influence. Because that's totally within the rules.

Literally not what I’m doing, and you’ve refused to engage me when I’ve said that before so until you do I’m taking it as willful ignorance.

[Harvey and Haley]

Thats why I'm hard-engaging you here. Because I want to squeeze it out of you.

Sure, as I said, I'm always happy to discuss specifics.

I'm not convinced that speeding up the game or pressuring are worthy goals. (This is why I vote so little in the first place.)

Tension produces more content - would you agree?
It's difficult to act perfectly naturally when it looks like the game is headed in the wrong direction for you as scum - would you agree to this?
That should make the case for pressuring, right?

-Harvey

[Bee]

What’s your read on me?

Moderate scum off of draft position + your posts have done nothing to reverse it.

:/

What about them though?

[Titus]

But I've been asked this before. Usually the reasons are something something wagon analysis something accountability but I've never seen anyone draw any productive information out of a vote that I placed on request.

Hey, what am I, chopped liver?

[Titus]

Who else would you want to vote?

Enchant or H and H

[House]

Enchant

Solid choice

[PenguinPower]

I'd be up for Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Miss Midnight

?

Seems like i was fast with townreads.

Why MM is mafia?

How were you “fast with townreads”?

[Flea The Magician]

OK this is absolutely busywork and some weird ass BS.

Do you think it's scummy?

I'm starting to lean that way.

I love mech spec, and if you look at the style of games I play I tend to go for mech heavy or bastard games. Looking at the games I've run (all 2 of them - still need an outside reviewer for the second) you can see I love mech weirdness.

If you want me to get down and dirty in the mech here, I can and I will, but the conclsion is always going to be the same. The human element alone here is enough to throw the spec out of the window.

I can tell you what my options were that I was going to choose from, and few people will actually believe me because of how I approach these games.

I was looking at PGO, Vengeful and Universial Backup. I'm not going to say what I actually selected but I was looking at those as I sent my number in.

Wait what does your role and what you wanted have anything to do with this, like, offhandedly bringing this up?

Your vote on Thor was :/ to me because I see him as you in Yin and Yang where everyone jumped on you for not playing the game the same way. What differences do you see in your play there and what’s happening now?

Bringing it up to give evidence of the human element, because frankly I ain't a normal human. You look at the list, and think about what you would pick, then compare to what I'd narrowed my options to - bearing in mind even if I was the first to pick, that would be my pool.

I haven't voted for Thor either, my vote is an RVS vote that stuck.
The difference in mechanical information available is the difference here. I was using in-game mechanics as I believed them at the time. Thor has gone as far as the game setup is not randomised but arbitrarily picked, and now as far as pagetop counts. The setup rand I can forgive, I saw that as a legitimate mistake. If it turns out I know the player behind the alt, that could change. Going on pagetops and out of game mechanics is considerably different to what I was doing.

[Bee]

VOTE: Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

He never rushes to make these kinds of calls on me when he's town.

I mentioned what I did in response to this. For no other reason.
My vote remains on House until he acknowledges this.

[House]

It's difficult to act perfectly naturally when it looks like the game is headed in the wrong direction for you as scum

... OR TOWN.

PR's have motive to stay alive too, especially on D1.

[Bee]

I’ll try to respond later Flea I need to focus on work for a bit.

[Gamma Emerald]

And tbh I think the last game I had where I didn’t snap to a read on House was actually a scumgame so that’s actually just a lie in general.

[Harvey and Haley]

It's difficult to act perfectly naturally when it looks like the game is headed in the wrong direction for you as scum

... OR TOWN.

PR's have motive to stay alive too, especially on D1.

True, but I'd rather sift through <Earnest town unnatural play vs Scum panic play> as opposed to <town chilling vs scum chilling>.

-Harvey

[House]

It's difficult to act perfectly naturally when it looks like the game is headed in the wrong direction for you as scum

... OR TOWN.

PR's have motive to stay alive too, especially on D1.

True, but I'd rather sift through <Earnest town unnatural play vs Scum panic play> as opposed to <town chilling vs scum chilling>.

-Harvey

How can you categorize earnest & unnatural together? That doesn't make any sense.

I think the more likely scenario is that earnest town is at their most natural, and that different perspectives aren't alignment indicative.

[Something_Smart]

Tension produces more content - would you agree?

Sometimes, but it's not always

good

content. When the players are invested enough in the game, there should always be plenty to talk about.

It's difficult to act perfectly naturally when it looks like the game is headed in the wrong direction for you as scum - would you agree to this?

Yes. However it is also difficult to act in a way as town that doesn't make people suspicious that this is happening. Particularly the type of people who are prone to getting pressured are often also the type of people that do weird things or freak out under pressure.

[Something_Smart]

What about them though?

What about what, your posts?

I mean they're fine. Nothing much stands out.

[Something_Smart]

Hey, what am I, chopped liver?

Have you done that? Sorry if I forgot. What game was it?

[Harvey and Haley]

How can you categorize earnest & unnatural together? That doesn't make any sense.

We're thinking of variant definitions for "natural", I guess. I mean in the sense of deviating from how you'd play without pressure. I believe that deviations in town play and scum play, while both might be different from usual under pressure, have differences in that town know they're being wrongly limmed.

-Harvey

[Gamma Emerald]

Some scum can also be scared of opinions of their posts after they post

I feel like when I’m scum I end up refreshing the page when I post something I’m worried might not go over well