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[Gamma Emerald]

Gottem

[Gamma Emerald]

ebwop i guess?

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Yes. This summarisation of her opinion on the votes on her is scumhunting. THIS IS CLEARLY SARCASM, AS THE FOLLOWING QUOTE CONTAINS ABSOLUTELY NO SCUMHUNTING WHATSOEVER AND IS IN FACT - AS STATED - A SUMMARISATION OF HER OPINION ON THE VOTES ON HER.

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

I had actually detected the sarcasm, it just wasn’t marked like I’d expect so I had to double-check

[Flea The Magician]

I'll be sure to make sure all future sarcasm is fully noted for you Gamma.

/s

[Titus]

Naked votes are perfectly okay, but a player that scumreads her dropping a vote on her is sus?

GTFO.

@Gamma/House, To be clear, I don't think you're scummy for pushing this.

I don't think Manatee is scum either for FoSing someone pushing a wrong case but townreading the people caught up in it. I'm not even necessarily agreeing with Manatee's theory, especially because I TR Gamma really hard. I can just see it coming from town who knows their play sucked but suspects scum is overselling it.

That seems ass-backwards to me, I’d expect the reasonable approach to be townreading the one pushing but scumreading those following without explaining why adequately
As I wrote this I also realized the shade on me wasn’t even because I suspected her but because I followed Bee. Like, WHAT?

To expand on this, the actual thought process for me when I voted manatee was that it was a sweet spot of someone I suspected and someone I was aware there was momentum for. Up until I voted manatee I was holding my peace as I didn’t want to go on someone just for the momentum to not be there. And following that vote I had suggested Bee could be scum with Manatee because of how her idea of what to do in the case Manatee didn’t respond to pressure like she wanted was to drop it. Honestly that might have been why Manatee opted to shade me.

I think you're trying to fit the facts to your theory rather than your theory to the facts.

I'm not sure how this conversation helps anyone any further but I'm half convinced Manatee can't live until elo because so many active people have it wrong and I'm not getting support on the real scum anyway.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also, if she was accepting naked votes because "she knew her play was weak", there is no justification for her to shade Gamma's vote on her.

She's scumhunting. She can be suspicious of some votes and not others. Sure we hate naked votes but not every player needs to.

They do if they're "scumhunting".

You can't give her credit for scumhunting Gamma and a pass for NOT scumhunting naked votes when it all happened in the same post.

You're being disingenuous & bending over backwards to explain away transparently scummy behavior.

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Why presume that this is how ManateeGal scumhunts as town? Is there something about her posting that you see as +town in a vacuum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll be sure to make sure all future sarcasm is fully noted for you Gamma.

/s

I still feel like Auro/Flea/Thor yields at best one scum
This is kinda random, but would people be amenable to a Bee wagon? I feel like she hasn’t really gotten much pressure this game

[Gamma Emerald]

That quote is not meant to be there

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Not really, I much prefer Manatee to Bee.

[Titus]

Why presume that this is how ManateeGal scumhunts as town? Is there something about her posting that you see as +town in a vacuum?

It makes sense to me. I don't have to agree with it, but if I can make logical sense of it without a scum agenda, it's likely town. We're all mostly town.

[Titus]

This is kinda random, but would people be amenable to a Bee wagon? I feel like she hasn’t really gotten much pressure this game

No. I'd hammer Manatee for the sake of the thread before I voted Bee.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why presume that this is how ManateeGal scumhunts as town? Is there something about her posting that you see as +town in a vacuum?

It makes sense to me. I don't have to agree with it, but if I can make logical sense of it without a scum agenda, it's likely town. We're all mostly town.

I think CSF meant aside from the reactions to the current wagon

[the worst]

I'll be sure to make sure all future sarcasm is fully noted for you Gamma.

/s

I still feel like Auro/Flea/Thor yields at best one scum
This is kinda random, but would people be amenable to a Bee wagon? I feel like she hasn’t really gotten much pressure this game

sure
i'd rather not - she hasn't had much pressure but i don't really have any reason to feel like she's scum rn

[the worst]

we can do bee d2

[Titus]

we can do bee d2

Or we can listen to me D2

[Titus]

I did see Manatee post elsewhere FTR.

[the worst]

don't think we need elitell to ping manatee as scum atp

i've been listening to you, titus. hear you loud and clear. i do think we need to spend more time sorting slots like bee, auro, pp, likely yourself. none of those are names i expect to have a confident read on d1.

[ManateeGal]

MG also said she would be here all day. Where did she go?

mental health. im back now.

[Titus]

don't think we need elitell to ping manatee as scum atp

i've been listening to you, titus. hear you loud and clear. i do think we need to spend more time sorting slots like bee, auro, pp, likely yourself. none of those are names i expect to have a confident read on d1.

I'm just resigned to this day being a waste unless my VCA can turn up something spectacular here.

[ManateeGal]

realization: isoing does very little to help me develop a read

Just read the last handful of pages and let me know what you think of people's tone/input without all context. That's a start.

im gonna answer this one now given recent events
houses agression seems towny though i do not think hes understanding what i was saying which is pretty frustrating to read.
gammas attempts at interpetation between different players make me like him more then flea.

[Flea The Magician]

we can do bee d2

Or we can listen to me D2

Alternatively we can not because you're wrong and either scum or so blinded by your tunnel it's funny.

[ManateeGal]

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why is it odd to vote your scumread after other people express interest in also voting there? It's a good way to build wagons, no?

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: flea

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.

For everyone else here who doesn't have context into that game, do you mind going into what you meant here? Like how the two scenarios are different.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

Naked vote. Must be town. My bad yo.

The above statement is sarcasm.